The Phoenix Project: MAC Rising From The Ashes To Be Born Again (ANOTHER WEEK, NO HALF MEASURES)

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Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:26 am

@Bman incredible post. Great examples, and very concisely put.
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Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:11 am

MakingAComeback wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:56 am
In the back of my mind, I am feeling deep resistance now, because this gal appears to want something serious from me, and I cannot give that.

I have to look at myself in the mirror. I must become great. I chose this life. I will live by the sword.

And I will die by it.

I can't do serious until 34/35.

I will get this final lay, somehow, I don't want to sleep with L. I am not going to do it. I will find someone else.

I just want to enjoy Ls company. We don't have to part ways. We can be friends or someshit. Situation is complicated as ever, and tbh, here is why honesty matters......
Hey MAC, I've been following you in the shadow still (you're one of the reason why I keep coming back to be honest, I finally started to write an update in my log, I haven't ignore your comments on it).

I can relate on this part because I almost did something similar recently with my girlfriend. I totally understand the desire to not do wrong by her, and it's very honourable, but what if you gave her the possibility to make her own choice in that matter ? You make the decision for both of you to not sleep with her without giving her the full context. If she invites you tomorrow for an evening at her place, we both know what it means. What if you took that opportunity to lay your card on the table ?

What if you tell her how much you appreciate her, that you desire her, and that you want to be physical with her but you can't promise anything serious because of the reasons you mentioned ? That you need to focus on yourself, that you have big plans for the next 5 years and that you can't commit now. And then, she gets to decide if she's on board or not. But now, you're taking away that decision from her and in a sense, running away. This is not fair for neither of you and I don't think it's honest.

She's a grown ass woman, capable of making her own decision at the end of the day.

Just wanted to give my 2 cents about it. Because as I said, I had the same attitude regarding some recent events. But in some sense, it's also some self sabotage. Wouldn't it be great to have your last lay of your comeback year with a great gal that you like ? After all you've been through this year, you ought it to yourself to really try.

You got this man
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Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:29 am

Tried and tried bros, nothing happened.

England played well though.

I came home after the date and felt thoroughly depressed.

I asked myself, what? I normally like spending time with her?

It was nice, it felt good at times, but equally, I felt quite rejected when she rebuffed my advances. It felt weird.

She cooked me dinner, which was lovely, and we drank together.

Thing is, I am not a big drinker. The 9hr session with her on Sunday and then drinks yesterday made me feel depressed, I think!

With L, I am conflicted. She is def. the best gal I met on my journey, she's awesome, but I sense conflict in her, as if her head kinda wants me, but her heart longs for something else.

Usually, the heart wins.

I haven't told her I'm leaving London next month. I think we'll see each other again, and then I'll tell her that I'm off.

Very inteesting experience, learned a lot.

I do not like being spurned and when girls push me away physically. I don't like that she wouldnt get close to me, wouldn't kiss me, and so on. She sat on the other side of the sofa and played those silly little games.

The truth: she clearly has trauma around intimacy.

I have my own goals to pursue. That's life. I hope she finds a lovely man who wil go on the 100-200 dates she needs. I have my own healing to do and can't go through all these dates being left feeling unwanted and undesired by her. I love that she invited me over, she is very nice to me and does seem to care. Thats amazing. She asked me if I'd be up for a double date with her best friend (a guy) and his gf. Clearly, she sees something in me, and she did highlight how this is very rare for her.

But the thing is, I can't do it. I have lost attraction for her tbh and now feel more like we're friends than anything else.

Happy to just be friends............

I dunno.

I have work to catch up on. This stuff is so time consuming and exhausting sometimes man.

MAC
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
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(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

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Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:29 pm

........And ofc I texted her.

Because I have a crush on her.

I don't even want anything romantic with her, I don't want a relationship, I don't really even want to sleep with her because I see she has trauma and I don't think sex is right for her right now (she flinches and tenses when I touch her, for instance).

I do however enjoy her as a human being and will have an open and honest conversation about how I feel like we're best suited as friends.

Def. an amazing gal, the best one I've met on the journey objectively in terms of her person. Sure, I don't know her, don't really know much about her, and tbh she may not even be into me a whole lot. It's all good.

For me, just knowing there are quality girls like this out there who will give me a chance at dating them means a lot.

When I am looking for one, which won't be for a while yet, atleast I know I have a puncher's chance.........

Today was solid AF in terms of work :)

MAC
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:45 pm

MakingAComeback wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:29 pm
I don't even want anything romantic with her, I don't want a relationship, I don't really even want to sleep with her because I see she has trauma and I don't think sex is right for her right now (she flinches and tenses when I touch her, for instance).

I do however enjoy her as a human being and will have an open and honest conversation about how I feel like we're best suited as friends.
I like where you're going with this. You're allowed to feel wanted, brother, and from everything I've seen - it just looks like she's on a completely different wavelength.

Glad to see you're taking the bull by the horns and laying it all out. If her issues don't allow her to give you what you need, that's ultimately for her to solve.

Your wants/needs matter. Looking forward to see how things go, brother.

Keep pushing!
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Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:55 pm

natedawg wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:45 pm
MakingAComeback wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:29 pm
I don't even want anything romantic with her, I don't want a relationship, I don't really even want to sleep with her because I see she has trauma and I don't think sex is right for her right now (she flinches and tenses when I touch her, for instance).

I do however enjoy her as a human being and will have an open and honest conversation about how I feel like we're best suited as friends.
I like where you're going with this. You're allowed to feel wanted, brother, and from everything I've seen - it just looks like she's on a completely different wavelength.

Glad to see you're taking the bull by the horns and laying it all out. If her issues don't allow her to give you what you need, that's ultimately for her to solve.

Your wants/needs matter. Looking forward to see how things go, brother.

Keep pushing!
Thank you Nate! She has been very awesome & has helped me heal I won't lie.

When I called her out for being late to our last date, which she didn't really understand (she texted me beforehand but I just early anyway), she seemed so sorry for making me wait.

It's little things. I was in her kitchen while she was cooking, and I was standing infront of one of her drawers.

"Can I get behind you darling?"

I get thrown by this stuff. It's just these very small, very human acts that I have not experienced before. Just basic kindness, warmth, and just being authentic and genuine hits me, I have found, in ways I didn't expect.

L has eluded to how she has fears over getting very attached to someone and has struggled with co-dependency in the past. She explained how she is working with a coach and the strategy they've put in place is for her to wait, potentially some time, before exploring intimacy.

I can totally respect it and I can also admit that I have learned more about myself.

I am very weak for when a girl is nice to me. When they do small and kind gestures for me, like compliments or something seemingly insignificant, I do begin to feel a little bit for them. I have a lot of compassion for L and really wish her good things in life. It's been, what, 4 dates but I am grateful that I got to meet her. I will explain to her it's best for us to just be friends, and will just see what she feels.

She deserves honesty. And I deserve for my own needs and development to be respected.

Back to work. Feeling motivated and productive rn!

Ravi
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:27 pm

THE PHOENIX PROJECT WEEK 50

THURS 24/11/2022

(2) Biz / Copy
-Accountability Checkins
- Accountability Spreadsheets & Reports
-Accountability Onboarding outreach
-Accountability testimonial outreach
-Accountability sales deck development: canva
-Copywriting: A’s copy v3.

(3) Body
-Glute & Low Back Warmup
-Run (60m)
(Dinner)
-Stretch & Posture

(4) Dating
-Lead Gen Process
-Messaging
-Dating Dev: Update folder, review notes

Others
-Cold thermogenesis session (20m)
-Reading

Notes:

Will have a chat with L on Sunday and tell her I’m leaving London in a month. I will also tell her that I think our dating feels more like friendship, and will explain I need to focus on my own mission. Truth be told, I like her a lot, and would like to keep seeing her regardless. I will be in London regularly putting on talks for my biz and seeing friends, I would be open to seeing her in this capacity, given that from Jan practically all I’ll be doing is hammering biz, with a bit of cold approach 3 times a week, and maybe 1hr a day on the dating apps. Which means 8hrs work on biz each day, and the rest just training and developing my physique and masculinity…..

I understand I can find other chicks, I get that totally, I frankly just like this human being and will be honest with her that I feel like it’s more friendship and that I must focus on my mission and big picture vision for my life. This is not time for a relationship. This is time to build deep financial resilience, make good money, and travel the world so I can grow and become more.

This is the first time I’ve felt a little weird like this, the thought of me having misled her or perhaps have given her the wrong impression weights upon me pretty much every second. I dislike being untruthful tremendously. It burns me up. I will talk to her over the weekend and give her the facts. She herself told me on our first date she just wants to enjoy someone's company, and wants to just have a good time. Whilst this is fine, the fact that I didn’t tell her I am leaving London next month is what is boiling me up. That was not good of me. I’ll make it right. She doesn’t have to see me any-more after that, no problem.

MAC
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:34 pm

MakingAComeback wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:27 pm
She herself told me on our first date she just wants to enjoy someone's company, and wants to just have a good time. Whilst this is fine, the fact that I didn’t tell her I am leaving London next month is what is boiling me up. That was not good of me. I’ll make it right. She doesn’t have to see me any-more after that, no problem.
I honestly don't think you did anything wrong, brother. Her response was very vague too. I definitely think you're doing the right thing tho, just don't beat yourself up because I really don't think you did anything wrong.
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Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:40 pm

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Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:34 pm
I honestly don't think you did anything wrong, brother. Her response was very vague too. I definitely think you're doing the right thing tho, just don't beat yourself up because I really don't think you did anything wrong.
Agreed. It's not like she said, "I am looking for a serious relationship".
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- Attempt a pull on 10 first dates (2/10 dates so far)
- Two plates at once
- Three plates at once
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- Threesome with two girls
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Thu Nov 24, 2022 10:35 pm

Hear ya bros. I'll have a convo and see what she says. It's a bit complicated, I do feel like some of my answers to certain questions may have given her the impression I seek a relationship, though when she has asked me directly on several occasions, I was blunt and truthful: I am just enjoying my life and my mission.

I find the past few weeks dating her quite curious. Much of the time, I was so sure she'd never see me again. But she was happy to see me. It took 11 months of grinding to get a 2nd date man, I had to work on a lot, get feedback, and improve.

Even now, I just have this demon of doubt that is with me so often, like my mind will just conjure up the idea that she's gotten bored of me and that's that. It's my insecurity and frail sense of self as a man, and how I struggle to see myself as a real option for any lady. It's so hard to overcome man. It is really there every day, I just try to overcome the same stuff every. single. day. I wish I could have some peace from it. It is part of my psyche and I can accept it. It visits often, I just let it say what it needs to say.

Dating apps slowed down a lot in London town. No leads rn. Just blasting them daily.

EVENING CHECKIN:

2) Biz / Copy (DONE, apart from copy)
-Accountability Checkins
- Accountability Spreadsheets & Reports
-Accountability Onboarding outreach
-Accountability testimonial outreach
-Accountability sales deck development: canva
-Copywriting: A’s copy v3.

(3) Body (DONE)
-Glute & Low Back Warmup
-Run (60m)
(Dinner)
-Stretch & Posture

(4) Dating (DONE apart from dating dev work)
-Lead Gen Process
-Messaging
-Dating Dev: Update folder, review notes


Notes:

Canva was a pain in the ass for the sales deck, moved to Google Slides instead. Will post what I’ve got tomorrow. I did the other hustle.

Cardio wise, I felt so strong today, vigorous, energetic. I could run, it felt, for hours and hours. It was effortless. Blasted 1hr and that was that. I attribute this to daily CT and earthing.

I need to improve my physique and appearance a lot. I really need to. Otherwise, I will not make it. My goals are becoming clearer and clearer for next year. Hard, hard work in the gym, and on my diet, will give me the dating life I seek. I need to make really good money. And I will just keep grinding with dating and cold approach in the background, as a thing I just do. Biz will be 8hrs daily. Training and cardio will be priority #2. Thereafter, developing myself in dating and attraction will just be there. But I need to make a physical transformation, it’s a big thing.

I will just keep working, trying every day, and pushing every day. I will be at this shit, self improvement, for years. I will create a better life for myself, I fucking know it.

1035pm time for bed. Did my best. Will try to be better tomorrow.

MAC
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:57 am

THE PHOENIX PROJECT WEEK 50

FRI 25/11/2022

(1) Self Improvement
-Read (DONE)
-Sunrise watching (DONE)
-Mindset work (DONE)
-Myofunctional Therapy (DONE)
-Cold Thermogenesis (15m – Listen to Andy podcast) (DONE)
-Light Therapy (Sperti lamp – 10m) (DONE)
-Earthing (30m – Listen to Andy podcast) (DONE)

(2) Biz / Copy
-Accountability Work: Checkins, Spreadsheet updates, Reports, Testimonial outreach work, Onboarding work.
-Read: Read Dan, Read Vin
-Watch: 1 Dan Henry video.

-Copywriting: A’s copy.

(3) Body
-Core
-Gym: Legs (Podcast: Dan Meredith)
*Buy water

OMAD: Cook up a solid meal that’ll hit about 2000kcal, mostly fat and protein, minimal if any carbs. Weigh, calculate macros, and post for accountability.

-Stretch
-Posture

(4) Dating
-Online Lead Gen Process
-Messaging leads (if pos, no leads atm)
-Dating Dev: Review my notes
-Read: Street Hustle

Others:
-Life Admin: Contact DHL
-Visualisation & Affirnmations

BED

Notes:

Had an honest conversation with The Dom and Paw about not being happy with my physique. They talked to me about goals and achievement more broadly.

We’ll install the following habits for body goals:

-Weigh myself each morning and post it
-OMAD (aim for about 2000kcal in one meal, mostly fat and protein, low carb → post it)
-Weights & Cardio as I am doing

Furthermore, they discussed timelines and effective achievement more broadly. Upon further consideration, The Phoenix Project will be extended until I have attained the final lay, and I have hit my 3rd goal of weighing 185lbs. So it may be a further 2-3 months.

It was highlighted that my development is best pursued in phases. One phase where there are specific processes to follow, all the way to completion of overarching aims. No arbitrary deadlines should be given, rather, the process should be followed until the goal is achieved, with course correction along the way.

I will use the forum, Andy’s group, mine & Bulldog’s chat (NO BRAINS CREW) and The Dom’s group chat (Dirty Dogs) for keeping myself accountable.

I MUST press forward. I will achieve the goals of The Phoenix Project, 100%.

I will then set different goals and have a proper conversation with Andy and Radical, and then discuss with my crew and develop a roadmap for the next stage of my journey.

The next stage will not have a defined timeline, it will have goals and metrics (3, max) and processes I must follow to get these outcomes.

With a guy like me, it is about being granular, tracking, and working SMART

MAC
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:08 pm

EVENINC CHECKIN:

FRI 25/11/2022

(1) Self Improvement
-Read (DONE)
-Sunrise watching (DONE)
-Mindset work (DONE)
-Myofunctional Therapy (DONE)
-Cold Thermogenesis (15m – Listen to Andy podcast) (DONE)
-Light Therapy (Sperti lamp – 10m) (DONE)
-Earthing (30m – Listen to Andy podcast) (DONE)

(2) Biz / Copy
-Accountability Work: Checkins, Spreadsheet updates, Reports, Testimonial outreach work, Onboarding work (DONE)
-Read: Read Dan, Read Vin (DONE)
-Watch: 1 Dan Henry video. (DONE)

-Copywriting: A’s copy (FAIL)

(3) Body
-Core (DONE)
-Gym: Legs (Podcast: Dan Meredith) (DONE)
*Buy water (FAIL)

OMAD: Cook up a solid meal that’ll hit about 2000kcal, mostly fat and protein, minimal if any carbs. Weigh, calculate macros, and post for accountability. (DONE)

-Stretch
-Posture (IN PROCESS)

(4) Dating
-Online Lead Gen Process (IN PROCESS)

Notes:

Because I am English, I am compelled to watch the World Cup. God that was horrible. Didn’t like the way England played at all. USA, however, looked solid!

It’s now 9pm. Through constantly grinding the dating apps, I have a date scheduled tomorrow and Sunday. I have two other leads on WhatsApp and will try to get them scheduled.

Otherwise, first day of OMAD!

Will get another early night and be back tomorrow and keep working.

Today was solid. In particular, I liked OMAD and thought it was positive for me.

Biz work got done, and also got a great idea to develop a free FB group, which I will collaborate with someone on. Hit up Andy's group as a priority and also mentioned it in my chat.

Slowly turning the focus to biz, it's good that ideas are now flowing.

MAC
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:21 am

MakingAComeback wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:27 pm
She herself told me on our first date she just wants to enjoy someone's company, and wants to just have a good time. Whilst this is fine, the fact that I didn’t tell her I am leaving London next month is what is boiling me up. That was not good of me
So you have a girl that's wasting your time and treating you like a gay friend while probably fucking someone else on the side and you're the one feeling guilty??
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Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:09 pm

Thrice wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:21 am
MakingAComeback wrote:
Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:27 pm
She herself told me on our first date she just wants to enjoy someone's company, and wants to just have a good time. Whilst this is fine, the fact that I didn’t tell her I am leaving London next month is what is boiling me up. That was not good of me
So you have a girl that's wasting your time and treating you like a gay friend while probably fucking someone else on the side and you're the one feeling guilty??
Yep, as ever, it's quite complicated.

She appears to have real issues around intimacy, her entire body and being locks up, her eyes flash with fear, and there is deep discomfort when I am physical in different capacities with her.

But she is quite nice to me, seems to enjoy spending time with me, and has given me much affirmation and needed validation.

I am gonna talk to her today and explain this just feels like friendship and companionship, and I'm OK with that.

I like L, she is an awesome girl, but the situation with her doesn't work for me.

I doubt she is fucking other guys, she seems to have a lot of issues with intimacy and also I feel is genuinely fond of me. She's eluded to conversation she's had with her friends, expressing worries I'm fucking other girls (lol), and furthermore, her best friend and his girlfriend are quite imporant people to her and she asked them if it's OK for me to join them for dinner as a kinda of double date (lol). This isn't the gay best friend frame IMO but I accept the point you are making and think it's fair. Also, remember, my physical attraction for her just died when she kept rejecting my advances, I see her more like a sister now and do appreciate her as a human. That my friend is OK......

Not to be defensive against you, because I will never attack you, but I have asked her back to my place like 5x, I invited her over today, and instead she invited me to her place! Which is where I am heading now.

I'll have an honest conversation and just give her the truth: I am focusing on my own mission and goals, enioy her companionship, and will explore this as opposed to anything romantic.

Mohammed, consider how many dates I go on: endless. And how many girls actually fancy me? It has, so far, been fucking 2 out of about 100.

We as men need to be around women who find us attractive to gain reference experiences and learn.

I am a believer in product market fit and can tell you, people who look like me have a minuscule market share, it is just tiny. Of those, there are a smaller % who will have some sexual desire.

Low SMV males live in a very different reality, It's not very fun with regards to women, it's just a bitter grind. That's life. I didn't create this situation, evolution or God did. A guy who is born crippled is not going to go to the Olympics. All he has is extreme grinding to get scraps. That happens to be reality in the SMP for people whose SMV is just too low. I have no problem with this. Reality is just fact, it does not care. The low SMV male can have success in other areas such as health, business, finance, travel etc, but IMO, success in the sexual market place is not really possible. It's a fiercely competitive arena where the victors get the spoils. You can get the scraps of what others don't want and you'll have to learn to enjoy it.

Part of being a mature adult is accepting that and getting on with it.......

Again, I take no issue with this: it's not like I won't keep pushing. I just have managed my expectations about what is possible for me. Just a basic chick who is nice to be around will be enough for me dude. Certain level of bullshit WILL be par for the course.

I am sorry if you're disappointed in how I handled the situation with L.

Ravi
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GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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MakingAComeback
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Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:17 pm
Goal: 10 Lays In 2022 (9/10)
Age: 31
Motto: POSITIVE SELF TALK

Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:12 pm

Date yesterday:

Arrives, we chill, vibe. She's a bit boring but is quite sweet and is making me laugh.

Seed the pull several times.

Pitch the pull, she agrees to come to mine for the next drink.

I go to the bar to pay for the drinks, turn around, and she's gone!

I laugh and just walk home. ;-)

Listen to a podcast and chill. Go to bed.

I used to be bothered and hurt by this, but I grew used to it. Doing this every week for the duration I have you just see, people are complex.

Every loss and failure is one step closer to success.

You just keep going.

Today is another throw of the dice.

MAC
POSITIVE SELF TALK

GOALS 2021: ALL ACHIEVED
GOALS 2022:
(1) 0 to 10 Lifetime Lays (Current Status: 9/10)
(2) Beat AA (DONE)
(3) Body Transformation: Ripped Abs & Elite Build (Weigh 185lbs)

My Progress Log: Outworking God's Plan - My Relentless Journey
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