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Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:57 pm

Bman wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:35 pm
Small Update
Will have to wait another 3 weeks for the white suit, but took some photos in the charcoal tweed one for the apps to start building the smart/professional look.
Man I love wearing suits. 2 of my pics online are in a suit. Won't lie, I don't like the charcoal tweed. Combined with your beard, it makes you look like Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels. It's a downgrade from the Jason Momoa look that made you look hard and masculine. But the results may disprove me.
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Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:58 pm

Akilles7 wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:57 pm
Bman wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:35 pm
Small Update
Will have to wait another 3 weeks for the white suit, but took some photos in the charcoal tweed one for the apps to start building the smart/professional look.
Man I love wearing suits. 2 of my pics online are in a suit. Won't lie, I don't like the charcoal tweed. Combined with your beard, it makes you look like Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels. It's a downgrade from the Jason Momoa look that made you look hard and masculine. But the results may disprove me.
Appreciate the feedback.

For most of the photos I take I have been posting them here, post them in my munch discord (where there are girls posting NSFW selfies), throw it on Fet, send it to my mom (she hated the Jason Momoa one, which is a great inverse signal that girls may like it), send it to friends, and run it on the apps.

We'll see the signal it sends.

Also, you should see me in the morning when I wake up. I look like Rasputin.
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Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:28 am

Bman wrote:
Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:58 pm
when I wake up. I look like Rasputin.
*Ra Ra Ra Rasputin crazy Russian love machine*

Made me laugh real hard 😂
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Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:39 pm

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Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:35 pm
"Yes, the professor will see you now."
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Yo I love this photo. Shows a vibe, paints a picture of who you are. Solid 🔥
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Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:22 pm

Small Update

Just checking in. Been gone a little bit and have not updated my 365 or posted on anything. After having the call with Ravi's men's group, I took a walk and had a deep think about what I wanted and how I was working towards that. After deliberating on that, decided that posting here and visiting to consume others logs was not helping as much as it was in the beginning or at this current stage of my development. I just need some room to keep taking action, and not talking so much about it.

Doesn't mean I've stopped:
  • I've been recording my 365 in a word doc to post later.
  • Slept with 2 new girls in the past week and also wrote the reports up in a word doc to post later. One was mediocre. The other was some of the best sex I've had.
  • Almost have the van stripped to bare bones to start the building process.
  • Pumping out 15 or so pieces of content (of various lengths, not all magnum opus tier) for the startup each week.
  • Read Mode One on @Zug's recommendation. Great read and insightful of how I can be even more honest. Also helped me recognize a piece of my AA is a not a fear of rejection, but instead a fear of ridicule. Was helpful to have that awareness when I went out CA the next day.
  • I'm also immensely happy and grateful for I am in my life right now
Anyways, I'll be back to post my progress and help with learnings from taking actions as always. Just will be a few months. Email notifications are on for when I get tagged or DM'ed.

Appreciate you guys.

Brb, working on my goals...
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Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:18 pm

Update

Girls

Spiritual Girl: Returning from her New York trip next month and I’m sure she’ll be eager to slip back into the rotation. She was also hint dropping hard she wants a threesome, so will probably try to make that happen when she’s back.

Politics Girl: Been seeing about once a week. She’s a bit horrible with managing her schedule, but she makes up for it later. Sweet girl (and super kinky).

Event Girl: She’s been getting a lot of attention from the kink community here because of she posts nudes all the time. So reached out to her to do a photoshoot which she of course was down for. What I find hilarious is all the guys she flirts with in her posts, but in real life she is super shy and wouldn’t do anything with them. But she did them with me!

Apps

Been using mostly Hinge & Feel’d. I really only swipe if I know I’m going to have free evenings later in the week. Otherwise I don’t bother.

Matched on Feel'd with a hot young professional with a great hourglass figure this week and we were both really direct and honest with each other. She’s got a long distance BF and they practice ENM, but she seems pretty keen on meeting me. Of course it could always flake, but I’m looking forward to it.

Social Circle

Kink circle
Slowly but surely this has started to pay dividends. In the kink community I’m more recognized and talked about a lot. I’m becoming the “guy to know” as observed in the Day 219 entry on this post. Setting up a date with that girl still.

Also did a shoot with @Ed_ yesterday to help with his profile. I sourced us a model from the kink community. She’s gaining some popularity, so I posted a photo of her from the shoot yesterday on my Fetlife. And just like @Holden experiences when he posts a girl on his IG, I had a lead from 9 WEEKS ago reach out on Fetlife that she wants to go on a date now. Ha, go figure.

Going to a more classy play party tomorrow. They curate their guest list and you have to be invited. Of course I was invited. Usually about 50-60 people there. Should be a good time.

Currently setting up a clothing optional pool party for the people in my munch capped at 30 people (and I get to choose those people).

Professional circle
Started a professional meetup. Only had a couple so far, so nothing amazing to report here yet. However I’m excited to take the leadership skills over to a new arena. It is a little taxing though to have this group as well, so we’ll see how I manage that. I wrote about it a few times in my 365 post.

Van Work

Seriously been the most fun part of the last couple months. I love working on this thing when I can get a few hours here and there. Every hour I spend gets me just a little closer to a new lifestyle and it’s cool to see your work in physical form.

Anyways, I have completely demoed the interior, fixed the few rust holes in the roof, sound deadend and insulated the entire interior, installed the subfloor, and installed the Maxxair Fan on the roof. Now it’s time to design out and order the parts for the cabinets that I’m making out of extruded aluminum rather than wood.
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Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:52 pm

Moving this over from answering @jakeD 's question, since so much of it pertain to my experience and has pictures at the end.

General Advice for FetLife

Here’s some general advice from my experience. If there is demand for it, I may work on a more in depth, tactical guide for the forums about FetLife.

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The name of the game on FetLife is social currency.

Holden does well because he looks good, is intelligible, and has social proof. The basics of the recipe you’ll need.

Pictures:
  • If you’re ok with having your face seen, do it.
  • For the love of god, don’t put your dick as your profile picture. I’d also argue not to have more than one dick picture in your whole profile and only to do it if your 8in+ or its with a woman. I only have one, but it’s from a picture of doing an erotic photoshoot with one of my girls and it's in her mouth. Again, social proof.
  • Just like any app, your pictures should be what you can offer. Good looks, kink skills, a fun lifestyle, ect.
Your bio:
  • Should be well written, well thought out, formatted to be easy to read, and explain your experience in kink that is of benefit to THEM. Write it like its sales copy because it is. You’re the product.
  • Include high value remarks about your vanilla life, like Holden mentions his education.
  • I include my experience as a community leader, my kinks described well, my vanilla life, and what I’m looking for in partners.
Messaging:
  • Women on here get 100’s-1000’s of messages on here a day. That’s not an exaggeration. 99.9% are coming from low value, thirsty men who either open with extreme sexual stuff or “hey”. So if you write a well thought, intelligible message, about what YOU offer and what you’re looking for, you have a chance at standing out.
  • If you wish to interact in person with the community, I caution playing the numbers game and spamming your message to all the women in your city. Even in big cities, scenes are small and these women talk. They will put your message in their profile and call you out. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it, just consider how you’ll come across before sending your message.
Activity:
  • Avoid going and commenting on dozens of women’s pictures with vulgar comments. People can see your activity on your profile. Not a good look if you are always thirsting on other women’s pictures.
  • If women are commenting on yours, 100% interact with them. Doesn’t matter if they are your type or not.
Doing those things are bare minimum and will set you apart from the slew of garbage on that platform. You’ll be top 25% of profiles. It’s a pretty low bar.

If you wish to stand out more, you’re going to have to put some effort into contributing to the community, either online or in person.

Here’s a few tips I’ve done or see elite profiles doing.

Online:
  • If you’re really good at self-photography, take photos of yourself that sell a fantasy of theirs. Basically pick an archetype from smut (daddy, business exec, muscled labrorer, etc) and tell a story with your photos that fits right in with their fantasies. Do it consistently, just like any other content creator.
  • If you’re really good at erotic or boudoir photography, collaborate and take photos of local models. Post them on your profile and tag the girl. I just did this last week with a girl who’s been becoming very popular in the scene here.
  • If you’re good at writing, write guides or perspectives on kink culture. I just wrote one for my profile on “What is a Good Dominant?” Or you can write erotica, again attaching your archetype to their fantasy.
  • If you’re fucking hot women and comfortable making porn, do it. There are plenty of want to be only fans girls in the community who would be open to “collaborating”. Personally, I’m friends with quite a few. Also friends with two only fans girls making 6 figures on the platform. The top OF girls won’t advertise on Fet as much as the want to bes, because marketing is better on other platforms.
  • Reviews & recommendations: You need social proof you’re not a creep and can back up what you say you are. If you have people that will give you recommendations like Holden, do it. I’ll be starting my travel next year in the van. In order to take a portion of my social capital with me, I’ll be making a reviews section on my profile and having leaders I’ve worked with in the community, followers of my group, models I’ve worked with, and any play partners who are willing, to basically leave a review of my character and actions in the scene. Pretty much LinkedIn recommendations for kink. Then when I’m entering a new scene in a new city, I’m not starting from complete zero and can continue running the same playbook in each city I live in.
In person:
For me, this has been the bread and butter. I use FetLife as a digital extension of my social life in the scene.
  • Brand yourself: Every social outing in the community I go to I am wearing all black, all white, or all red. Black if I’m just going to a regular munch. I look good and get compliments. Red is what I wear at my munch. People know who I am and remember me. Then I wear either red or white out at events and play parties. I stand out hard compared to everyone else and people remember me. I still get comments from April when I dressed in all white with my hair down to look like Jesus.
  • Leading: If you’re good at leadership, highly recommend to start your own group. It shortcuts you to being a top guy in the scene. Can be easy as running munches, but I’ve also ran play parties. I started a year ago in the scene running a weekly munch, threw a 35 person play party, and throwing a naked pool party at the end of this month. Tell people about the community, connect them with other people or resources to help them explore their sexuality, and demonstrate what it means to be confident and unashamed of your own. In my local scene I’ve become “the guy to know if you’re new to the scene”.
  • Teaching: If you have some really good skills and are good at facilitating, I’d recommend teaching a workshop. Not something I’ve done yet but plan on doing. Positions you as an expert, trustworthy, and depending on what you’re teaching, showcases you’re one hell of a good time.
  • Volunteer: If you’re smart and hard-working, volunteer with the biggest group in your city. They always need help. You’ll meet people fast and start networking with the people who run these circles.
  • Munches: Basically kinky meetups and an easy way to meet people. To stand out though, speak up in conversations. Dress well. Approach and talk with women there. Be confident in your kinks. Most of the guys there are going to be pretty sheepish about doing any of that. I’m not saying its easy, but it will get easier the more you do it.
  • Private Events: If you’re doing all of the above, there is a high probability you’ll be invited to private play parties. This is where the above average women are. You’re going to need social capital to get in though. You earn that by being seen at public parties, munches, and online and then CONTRIBUTING VALUE to the community. Last Saturday I was invited to a rich couple’s home in private neighborhood and they owned the home in the back overlooking the land behind them. About 50 people, good ratio of men to women, women all above average to very hot, free cocktails, large Jacuzzi, and every toy imaginable for kink play. I don’t do public scenes often, but two previous women I have slept with were there, so I did 3 public scenes in front of the people there. I also hugged every woman I personally knew. I networked with the main couple running the party, being sure I was seen shaking hands several times with the guy of the couple and being thanked by him for the contributions I make to the community. All for social capital. Shake hands, kiss ladies.
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I’m nowhere near elite on Fet... yet. I’d say @AskTheDom is right (as usual) that I’d put my profile in top 20%. With more work and social capital, I’ll get there. But here’s a snapshot of the results I’m getting this week having worked on it for a year.

I’m not getting swarms of messages yet, but I do get opened occasionally. Most often by those I’ve met in person. However I like to keep this one in my inbox as a reminder that women are just as thirsty as men.

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Was just recently invited to a private gathering of 200+ sex community organizers in San Jose. They rent out the hotel for the weekend and have workshops, networking, and orgies all weekend with the whole time being clothing optional.

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Went on a date Sunday with this boudoir model. She’s from feel’d, however I leverage the same photos, condensed bio from Fet, and mention I lead in the scene here. Logistics were shit for pulling, but we had a wonderful makeout sesh in the parking lot. Hoping to get her over before her trip next week.

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Going on a date tomorrow with this college student stripping to pay her way through. We met volunteering at the big kink event here in my city. She soft opened me on Fet and I just went for the kill quickly.

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In progress of getting this girl rescheduled. We met at a munch where her date, who is a male only fans creator, introduced me to her, said I was the guy to know, and then she opened me on Fet the next day.

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Date with this kinky girl on Saturday. Matched on Feel’d. She’s new to the city, says all the other guys she’s interacted with are creepy and “not real Doms” so its been hard finding one. Yet she’s already calling me Sir in her texts.

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I'm satisfied with quality as of right now. Looking forward to it's improvement. As always, your mileage may vary depending on your SMV and the work your willing to put in.

Standard advice still applies: look good, talk to girls. Or more generally, improve yourself, have value, and take more action.
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Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:05 pm

excellent job and the girls you are getting is testimony to that.

Bman is really Aman
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Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:07 pm

good shit thank you, would be really cool with a even more indepth guide
i plan on making a real effort on this down the line.
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Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:46 pm

Mad value @Bman

So this makes me really wanna join up. I’m p good at photography and done paid boudoir stuff.

Should I be using a burner email ac on fetlife? Anyone else feel free to chime in
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Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:20 pm

Adrizzle wrote:
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Mad value @Bman

So this makes me really wanna join up. I’m p good at photography and done paid boudoir stuff.

Should I be using a burner email ac on fetlife? Anyone else feel free to chime in
Given the context of the site, it's pretty hard to get banned (unless you're not following my advice and vulgarly messaging a 1000 girls...), so a burner is not really necessary. I'm also verified on there, which I would never do on the other apps. However, women appreciate it more on FetLife if you're verified.

Depending on your city, there are a lot of photography groups. I'm part of a few. I'm also a part of a private content creator group where photographers and erotic models talk shop. You'd certainly have a good starting point with your portfolio. But when you are talking with models/ content creators, be super clear with them if its strictly a professional shoot, or you want to shoot and fuck them. Otherwise you'll burn your reputation quickly.
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No, not the original OF Girl from the Shrine adventures. This is actually the 3rd, top 1%, 6 figure only fans girl who has taken interest in me. Starting to feel like Austin is some sort of mecca for these girls.
  • OF Girl 1 = approached me at the Shrine munch when I had no status whatsoever there yet. Very sweet, flirty. Already had a BF and crap logistics, never got out on a proper date. Ended up escalating to a kiss a munch a few months later. Then the tension died, she started flaunting her big ego more, and we just stayed friends.
  • OF Girl 2 = she came to my munch. Very kind, sweet, and flirty to me all the time. Lovely personality. Wanted to play, but shes chubbier than I like. If she lost weight, I’d hit it in a heartbeat. So I friendzoned her.
  • OF Girl 3 = Friend requested me on FetLife out of the blue. For this report, we’ll call her Vegas Girl just to not be confusing.
I’m not really interested in seeing Vegas Girl again. Rather, I’m interested in getting advice on how my frame should be when the next big egoed, top OF Girl comes around, because apparently this is an archetype I’ll be attracting.

So Vegas Girl… Friend requested me on Fet. She’s petite with a thigh gap and perky little boobs. She’s 29 but looks 20. Looks really innocent. Thought she was hot, so I immediately opened her.

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During texting I thought she was looking for some validation of her physical beauty, so instead I genuinely commented on things that intrigued me about her.

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She looked like she wanted to do the get to know you thing over text, so I told her I like getting to know people in person instead. She was compliant and said it was ok we wait till we meet.

I looked up her socials, in addition to her Only Fans, she also created content on YouTube. She 64.2K subscribers on channel where she made mukbang videos for a long time. Then she stopped and she had a video explaining to her subscribers that she wanted to have a better relationship with food and was dealing with depression.

Checkin the night before with a “looking forward to seeing you tomorrow”. She responds in kind.

Morning of I ask her to wear a skirt or dress. She says she normally wears jeans, but she’d wear a skirt for me. 30 mins before the date she texts me she is on her way but no skirt because she spilled her drink on it. Whatever, that’s fine. When she shows up for the date though, she is not wearing anything cute. Its jeans that are not even shapely, a white crop top that looks like the equivalent of a man’s wife beater, and a baseball style overshirt. Felt like her regular everyday clothes. Was real disappointing.

Was very compliant on the hug. After getting a drink she sat down very close next to me, rather than across, and didn’t have to tell her to. She actually started touching me first during the date, playing with my bracelets and arms.

From the “must have connection” comment in the setup, I was expecting someone with some emotional depth. Not the case. While we talked, she was very aggressive in her questioning. She didn’t seem to like silence or a pause. She was also very hard to read on emotions. She was mostly flat, except from the occasional time she would laugh and smile, and then flat again. She also wanted to move to sexual conversation pretty quickly.

Some information I learned about her during the date:
  • She has 2 sisters. One of them has 10 kids. She said she never wants kids and does not like them. She said she has no motherly instinct at all.
  • She started camming 10 years ago but she had never had sex. She cammed for a long time before actually ever having sex. Then in her words, “just decided to start having sex one day”.
  • She makes 10K a month with Only Fans doing cam streams. She does not respect these guys at all. It was kind of uncomfortable the way she talked about them.
  • The part she hates about the job is having to look at herself for so long while editing.
  • She’s really into exhibitionism, being degraded, and humiliation.
  • She does not want a relationship at all because she “get’s bored too fast.”
  • She had a “fuck buddy” but he stopped seeing her because he found a different person. I asked why he couldn’t have two. She said apparently he wanted something specific.
  • She’s moving to Vegas in a few months for no reason at all. Zero. In fact, I tried to discover any sort of motivations for anything in her life and it seemed she doesn’t have any.
Though I was not entirely enjoying her personality and cold, clinical way of asking questions, she was hot enough to have sex with and I thought she was DTF, so I went for the pull. No resistance.

When we got back to my place she checked out the apartment while I put on music. Then she sat on my bed. I went over, stood over her, and kissed her. No resistance. Pushed her back on the bed and started kissing her. She just laid there and was not very enthusiastic. I started kissing on her neck and asked if I could leave marks which she said no because her fans don’t like seeing marks.

Some more kissing and still not very lively. I called her out on it and she said she’s being “reformed”.

I asked what that meant. She said “I’m being a good girl and not having sex on the first date.”

I thought she was just being playful so I said, “What are we doing right now then?”.

“Not having sex”

Ok, she’s serious. Well, what now? I asked, “What would you like to do this evening then?” You know, still trying to be on the same team here. She didn’t know. So I just went back to kissing but she was still pretty dead. Well this certainly isn’t fun.

I laid down. She sat up against the wall and just started asking more questions about stuff. Like what music I liked. Told her metal and she asked me to put some of my music on. So I put on some avenged sevenfold. She asked about the backdrop stand I had up. I told her I do photography, boudoir mostly. Showed her some of the photos I’d taken and she commented on how hot the women were. Learned that she’s been with 4 women.

I told her to come lay next to me. “Oh you like to cuddle?” I ran my hands over her body. “You like to be touchy, huh?" Yes. I like emotional and physical intimacy, woman. “This is going to sound bad, but I didn’t use to like to kiss, hug, or cuddle at all. Like I had sex with a guy and he wanted to cuddle, and I was like uhhh I gotta go… but I’m not like that anymore.” What the fuck.

I kept touching her. I told her to take her top off. She said she’ll pull it up. I played with her tits some and bit on her nipples till they were super hard. Nothing. Still no enthusiasm or signs of enjoyment. At this point I’m more annoyed than turned on. In fact this is a pretty big turn off. But I could feel a little movement from my dick when I was sucking on her tits. I contemplate if it’s worth it to frame battle this girl, which inevitably will not be a turn on at all. Called her out again of the lack of emotion. Then she mockingly made some movements and pulled her shirt down.

We chatted a bit more. She asked what turned me on. I told her a few things. She asked what turned me off. Having really bratty behavior…

She asked about tattoos. So I stood up and took off my shirt and showing them off. Then back to more kissing, touching, and trying to ramp things back up.

I had stood up, got a drink of water, and told her to come to the edge of the bed. She complied.

Told her “ok, no sex, but let’s take these clothes off”

“Why?”

“So at least I can have something enjoyable to look at.”

“No. I think it’s more fun to make you wait.”



“I want to have sex at Shrine.”

“Oh… IS that what you want?”

Shakes her head with a pouty face,“Yeah I want to do it in front of everyone. Will you?”

What the fuck. Is this some sort of weird power play? She knows I’m a leader in the community. Like is she trying to be “the one who actually gets him”. I think that’s just my ego talking.

I told her maybe. Depended on if she turned me on enough for that.

“Oh. That won’t be too hard.”

I laughed “Oh really?”

I was not into this. So I just laid down. I called her out asking why she came back with me tonight if she didn’t want to have sex.

She said “I wanted to see where this guy lived.”

Ok…

She said “What’s the rush anyways?”

“No rush. I don’t mind. I was just curious why you came back then.”

“Do you normally sleep with girls on the first date?”

“Depends.”

“On?”

“How I feel about them. How they feel about me. In general, yes I tend to.”

“I don’t like one night stands.”

“I don’t care for them either. Sometimes it just happens. I’d rather have something ongoing.”

She then started asking about how many other girls I was seeing. I said 2.

“Why don’t you actually date them?”

“Doesn’t really fit my life and I’m leaving in March anyways. Not really fair to them.”

“You could take them with you.”

“For a girl to be that level of commitment, they’d have to check a lot more boxes.”

“Like what?”

I told her various things.

She then went on about not wanting to be in a relationship, getting bored of guys, and been dating but not really her thing. She’d just rather have the freedom to fuck them. I also learned she had been on some dates recently and been telling the guys no for sex on the first date and then getting blocked. Ok…

She asked if I ever get attached.

“Not really.”

“Why?”

“People come and go. Everything ends eventually. That’s ok”

She thought it was sad. I felt pretty peaceful about it.

Somewhere in the conversation she mentioned something about people getting turned down or whatever and that’s why you “have a roster” of other people you can go hook up with.

She asked “Do you have a roster?”

“Yes”

“You do? THAT’s why you don’t get attached!”

“Do you have a roster?”

“Yeah sorta.”

Then again, fuzzy on how we got here, but she ended up asking if I ever had a stalker. I told her no, I never really had that problem.

“Do you want me to be your first?”

I stopped touching her and looked her dead in the eyes with I will fucking destroy you eyes.

“Hahaha I’m just kidding.”

We made some light jokes and she told me about a guy that reversed image searched her and called him a fucking weirdo. I did not care much for how she talked about other people.

It was starting to get towards my bed time and I was getting annoyed. She asked what I was doing for the rest of the evening. Told her I was going to sleep which she judgingly made comments about going to bed so early. She said she still had to work and do a stream later. She asked if I’d walk her back to her car. I said yes.

On the walk back I was just over this date. She started again with the cold and clinical way of asking questions. She asked if I what I do when I take girls on dates, as in the ones I’m seeing. Told her I don’t really do that. She was a little taken back. Told her going on dates is a privilege that must be earned first. She asked how. I told her by having good behavior. She couldn’t really believe it.

She also asked about what my favorite book was, noting that I had a lot. I told her Viktor Frankl’s Man Search for Meaning. She asked what it was about and I told her. “That’s sad! I was expecting you to say some happy book like How to Get Rich or something.” Oh brother… there’s no depth to you is there.

We finally make it back to her car. We go to give each other a hug and she says “I had a lot of fun.” I felt my body tense and cringe a bit. I did not. We kiss and she asks if she’ll see me at Shrine. Told her I’ll be working, mostly.

On the way home I didn’t really care we did not have sex. I was just more confused of what just happened. After waking up this morning, I was actually grateful we did not have sex. I did not really like that girl’s personality and lack emotion or empathy. I kept putting up with it because 1) she was hot, 2) something about being challenged like that makes me want win, conquer, overcome. And on top of that the ego status bump of “I’m the one that fucked her. I’m not like those other guys.” Dumb. The battle does not turn me on at all. But part of me still wanted to put my dick in her. In fact, had I fucked her, it would have been more out of being so god damn annoyed with her. Not healthy and how I want to feel at all.

Shrine is Sunday. Part of me is interested in seeing just what she’ll do to try to turn me on. Especially since I’ll be seeing OF Girl 1, and most likely OF Girl 2 and half dozen other girls I’ll hug throughout the night that I’ve friendzoned. Like a bunch of feral cats vying for my attention. Again, my own inflated ego talking.

Reality is, I’m working 3 shifts with only an hour break in between 2 of them, then probably going home to sleep after my last one. I got shit to do on Monday that I like have good sleep for. Plus I already have 2 other women from FetLife I’m setting up dates with, one from Feel’d, and the hot boudoir model from a few weeks ago is returning from her trip so I need to pin her. I don’t have the time or energy for drama.

Vegas girl and I could have had a real nice time, but she had to play games, so on to the “roster”. Obviously a lot of red flags. Just chalking this one up to having sub par game, her being a poor broken girl that really needs someone to love her, and I next time I’d like to end the interaction much sooner.

Looking for advice on 1) insight of what happened, 2) if I wanted the lay, what game would have been more optimal, 3) in the future, how should I engage these only fans girls that I seem to be attracting?
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Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:47 pm

I can't give you advice on any of your questions since you're way more advanced than me, but I can only share my experiences with similar situations.

Not a single time where I took a girl back home (or to her place) and she wasn't willing to have sex, has being nice and understanding solidified the issue. It has always led to the "I'm just not feeling it" text later in the week regardless of the amazing romantic connection there was prior to this rejection.

The one time I drama-gamed through this rejection, not only did we have sex but was she also keen to see me again. I can't explain why but rejecting sex or intimacy in general must give a girl an extreme boost in perceived value toward you which can only be combatted with an extreme measure taken by yourself.
You see these signs a lot in @SpicyBoi s log where a girl would reject his kiss 4 times only to suck his dick a couple of minutes after finally accepting the 5th kiss.

I'm curious to see how it will end up in your situation given you are one of the highest-value guys in the scene and you'll be the center of attention on Sunday. I wouldn't give 2 fucks about her tbf and just treat her like every other guest
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Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:51 pm

Broken.

I wouldn't bother trying to learn anything from this, and I say that as someone who tries to take something out of every interaction.

I've tried to force sex before with these weird broken girls when I was completely not into them. It doesn't work. If there's no chemistry, it just won't happen.

Keep your distance.
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Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:36 pm

Yeah there isn't anything to learn here. This report sounds almost exactly like my date a few years ago with an ex-sugarbaby who made $2K per day (but only worked for 5 days per month lol)

It was a huge battle, which involved me kissing her forever, taking off my shirt, her taking off her clothes but not lingerie, caressing her everywhere, finally fingering her, thinking "okay she'll be so turned on now, it has to happen right..." and then nothing.

Got fed up, told her I'd walk her to her car. Day after that, "I didn't really feel it" message. It is what it is.

I do believe that being in sex work like this does a number on a girl's psyche and ruins their relationship with sex and intimacy. This girl actually had a very vanilla-presenting Instagram, even signalling some tradwife tropes "I love to bake!" in her bio and shit. And she only told me about her sugar baby past because she could tell I was non-judgmental. Then she regretted telling me those things because she knew I'd never consider her for a serious relationship, which is what she was looking for ultimately. Now she's with some dude.... I don't think he knows.

And adding to that, some girls just enjoy the feeling of power they have in these situations. They can refuse sex all they want and there's nothing you can do about it. She can give you a naked lapdance and kiss your neck and massage your cock but if you try to put it in, she can say no. Huge power trip. Some girls get off on it.

Journalist I dated was like this. Said something like "I'm going to make you wait" with an arrogant air as if to say "I can control you." Kicked her out of course. But it definitely is a thing.
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