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Kurvam wrote:
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I think escalating more in public would not help at all as it would create more pressure/expectation that sex must happen on the next date.
Exactly - it's called the "non return point" and in public you remove the "plausible deniability"

So make outs are only for home, maximum a kiss
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AskTheDom wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:09 pm
Kurvam wrote:
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I think escalating more in public would not help at all as it would create more pressure/expectation that sex must happen on the next date.
Exactly - it's called the "non return point" and in public you remove the "plausible deniability"

So make outs are only for home, maximum a kiss
Noted. Thanks gentlemen.
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Question

In few of the previous weeks I had first dates with girls, asked them to come to my place but it was a no, made out with them at the end of the date, but it never turned into a second date.

I'm curious what I may be able to improve here. Obviously it's going to be hard for you to say exactly what without me going into deep detail about a specific date but some thoughts are:
- Maybe my conversations are too platonic?
- Should I try to set a second date at the end of the first one while she is still there with me?
- Should I spend more time making out/ escalating physically at the end of the date?
Just curious what your guys experiences are.
I'm asking about the next plans to meet somewhere in the middle of a date, when I feel we are in a good vibe. Then after making out - I re-ask, "so we agreed to see X, right?". Then prior the day I jokingly jump into remind, but not to look needy. Still doesn't work sometimes. Yet I'm not afraid of looking needy. Like last time we agreed to meet on Saturday. She wrote that she changed plans and will call me later the day. No call from her. I did call - no answer. Then I wrote to her "I did something wrong? You can tell me and we can discuss". Then at Monday she replied "everything is okay, I was just too tired". I asked to meet for a walk. She told she is busy, yet she asked to move to Tueseday (good score). Moved. Maked out. In the middle I again asked about nex time, she replied next week. I will wait.

All the girls I've had sex with were within one hour of cocktails. But the difference - I knew I will fuck them 146%. It was not discussable. All the other girls I have a mood like "I should convince her" and it doesn't work, even though I kissed them, hug, touched their legs, sniffed their hairs - nothing. I don not understand how that works.

I actually go into frame straight away. Took them by the hand. Lead. Sniff if they smell good. Told them I like their dress and wantto see what's under. Then blush, then "don't blush, I mean it". Etc. What I'm trying to say - there is no "time" for a escalation. Just do it if you want. If you don't - it won't work.

That's what I've learned, yet it could be misunderstainding such as I have really narrow experience with the same "type" of girls.
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THIS WEEK'S REFLECTION

Monday: Date; I said no to sex because she had herpes
Thursday: Supposed to have Architect Girl over; ghosted
Friday: Date Cancelled

Apps

Nothing groundbreaking this week on the apps. Staying consistent with my routine with it. Took a set of photos on Wednesday. Would love feedback on which of these six are worth fully editing for the apps. See below.

Dates

Monday's date was fun. Decided to do a walking date down on the boardwalk by the river near my place. She was a fit yoga girl and wore a yoga pants and bra for the date. Had a good conversation and invited her back to my place. I put on some music and we chatted a little bit before she said she couldn't have sex that night. I asked why and she told me she recently got herpes a few months ago. I told her thanks for being honest, and despite the risk being low, I still did not want to risk it since I sleep with other girls. She was really understanding and I walked her down to her car. It's a shame because she had some very plump lips and was a great kisser. I need to start teaching some of these other girls how I like to be kissed because some are not great.

Thursday I was supposed to have Architect Girl over. She was very receptive previously in the week. I texted her Thursday morning and got nothing back all day. I was a little surprised by this one because she texted after the first lay saying she left her Ray Ban sunglasses over at my place and asked if I could hold on to them till Thursday. I jokingly told her I might sell them on Craigslist, but of course I would hold on to them till then. So besides her being really receptive previously, I also thought she would want her sunglasses. I'll text her early next week the "didn't expect you to ghost" line and see if I get a response.

Friday's date cancelled but that's what I expected with this one. Matched on Hinge and she was a solid 9. But she would not give out her number because "there is too many creeps," so I set the date in Hinge. Had to set the date out a few days, so guessing she just got uninterested and unmatched me because when I went to checkin Thursday she was no longer there. No biggie.

Cold Approach

Went out yesterday to the Domain in ATX. Went 0/5 because all of them had boyfriends. But I enjoyed the session. I'm getting much more confident, speaking much slower, and don't have as many nerves. 4 out of the 5 women I did back to back in the span of 10 minutes. One of them I held her hand for a solid 15 seconds while I started the conversation and she told me I had such a deep voice.

Although I'm currently not getting as many dates for CA as I do the apps, it's still a skill I'm enjoying building. I also usually feel pretty good after doing a session of CA. It's nice to get compliments and have little conversations with really attractive women. I will slowly keep working at it as each time I go out I get a little more confident and a little smoother.

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Would love feedback on the best of the lot for these six photos. Please keep in mind I have not edited them yet.
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Personally I think #5 is the best
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Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:59 pm

Bman wrote:
Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:10 pm
THIS WEEK'S REFLECTION

Monday: Date; I said no to sex because she had herpes
Thursday: Supposed to have Architect Girl over; ghosted
Friday: Date Cancelled

Apps

Nothing groundbreaking this week on the apps. Staying consistent with my routine with it. Took a set of photos on Wednesday. Would love feedback on which of these six are worth fully editing for the apps. See below.

Dates

Monday's date was fun. Decided to do a walking date down on the boardwalk by the river near my place. She was a fit yoga girl and wore a yoga pants and bra for the date. Had a good conversation and invited her back to my place. I put on some music and we chatted a little bit before she said she couldn't have sex that night. I asked why and she told me she recently got herpes a few months ago. I told her thanks for being honest, and despite the risk being low, I still did not want to risk it since I sleep with other girls. She was really understanding and I walked her down to her car. It's a shame because she had some very plump lips and was a great kisser. I need to start teaching some of these other girls how I like to be kissed because some are not great.

Thursday I was supposed to have Architect Girl over. She was very receptive previously in the week. I texted her Thursday morning and got nothing back all day. I was a little surprised by this one because she texted after the first lay saying she left her Ray Ban sunglasses over at my place and asked if I could hold on to them till Thursday. I jokingly told her I might sell them on Craigslist, but of course I would hold on to them till then. So besides her being really receptive previously, I also thought she would want her sunglasses. I'll text her early next week the "didn't expect you to ghost" line and see if I get a response.

Friday's date cancelled but that's what I expected with this one. Matched on Hinge and she was a solid 9. But she would not give out her number because "there is too many creeps," so I set the date in Hinge. Had to set the date out a few days, so guessing she just got uninterested and unmatched me because when I went to checkin Thursday she was no longer there. No biggie.

Cold Approach

Went out yesterday to the Domain in ATX. Went 0/5 because all of them had boyfriends. But I enjoyed the session. I'm getting much more confident, speaking much slower, and don't have as many nerves. 4 out of the 5 women I did back to back in the span of 10 minutes. One of them I held her hand for a solid 15 seconds while I started the conversation and she told me I had such a deep voice.

Although I'm currently not getting as many dates for CA as I do the apps, it's still a skill I'm enjoying building. I also usually feel pretty good after doing a session of CA. It's nice to get compliments and have little conversations with really attractive women. I will slowly keep working at it as each time I go out I get a little more confident and a little smoother.

Question

Would love feedback on the best of the lot for these six photos. Please keep in mind I have not edited them yet.

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So i'm going to say for starters, +1 for the avenged sevenfold t shirt.

Now couple of things more practical:
Although I'm currently not getting as many dates for CA as I do the apps. : It's normal - if you have a solid SMV, the apps are the fastest way to get dates because in DG you deal with a lot of randomness that is filtered out by the apps ( but in return it gives you the best people) with time and dedication you will get much more satisfaction out of dg, that's a promise.

- But she would not give out her number because "there is too many creeps," - classic sign of low interest, when that happens "oh so you'd rather give me instagram for you to stalk me that easy :D ?"

- Photos 1 & 3: Man you look badass (the beard power is over 9000!!!!)
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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:26 am

Thanks for the feedback @MFbag and @AskTheDom. Appreciate the beard love. Haha
AskTheDom wrote:
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with time and dedication you will get much more satisfaction out of dg, that's a promise
I definitely feel that. I'd like to lock-in a couple FWB's and then focus more on CA.

This week’s reflection

When I started this log I did not really care about ratios or numbers for matches, numbers, ect. But after not getting laid this week, I realized I have no objective data about how I am progressing with this. Reading @Manganiello's log, I noticed I am just not doing enough volume and getting flaked on a ton is normal.

I’m very grateful for the veterans on this forum who have logged in detail because I can at least get a sense of how I am doing and where I need to improve. Thanks to @Manganiello and @Holden, your logs have been helpful.

So I plan on logging my stats for a while, just to see how they are improving over time and get some objective feedback on ratios.

Stats for last 3 months till now:
  • 13 Dates from apps
  • 2 Lays from Hinge (1 turned in FWB for about a month)
  • 2 Lays from Tinder
  • 1 boost a week on Tinder
  • 4/30 for Cold Approach (After doing the AA program till day 14)
  • 1 Date from Cold Approach (No Lay)
I plan on tracking how many matches on Tinder, messages on Hinge, and numbers from those as well, but don’t have any idea what that has been for last 3 months.

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Summary

Monday: Date from Hinge; No lay – bit of a catfish
Wednesday: Date canceled; she got in a car accident
Thursday: Flaked
Friday: Flaked after reschedule from Wednesday

Lessons Learned this week:
  • Scheduling: In Manga’s log he was scheduling multiple girls on the same day. I noticed I will get a huge influx of numbers and then get screwed when I have to schedule them more than 2 days out. Or I get numbers during the week, already have a date scheduled, so I schedule the new number farther out, but then my original date flakes/cancels and I waste a night and increase my chances of the new number also flaking later. So my plan is to schedule more than one girl in the same day, and if a new number comes in that is a hotter ones than I already have scheduled, I will reschedule the other.
Apps

Did two shoots this week for a couple new photos to keep improving the profile. The guitar one is my obligatory smiling “I’m not a serial killer” photo. Still need to get social photo and will probably try another shoot with my dog.
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Dates

Monday: Matched with this girl on Hinge, invited her to the bar next to my place. She looked petite in photos but had gained some weight over the last couple years and those photos we old. So she was not as attractive. We chatted for about an hour, but I really should have ended it earlier. Invited her to mine, but was not bummed when she said no. Didn’t push as I was not that into her.

Wednesday: This is getting to be joke. 4th girl I have had a date setup with that had a medical emergency or car accident. I tend to believe them as they usually send me pictures or an elaborate description of what happened. Can’t help but laugh at how many times this has occurred. We rescheduled for Friday.

Thursday: Sent confirmation text on Wednesday night, no response.
Friday: Sent me a text she was on her period and asked if we should reschedule. We already rescheduled once so I pushed to still have it that day. Did not get a response and she flaked anyways.

Feels

Little frustrated which is why I wanted to look at some objective data about how I’m doing. Sucks sinking time and effort into getting a number or going on a date and not having it turn into anything. I know that’s part of the game though. I know some of the places I can improve and will focus on doing that.

College is back in session next week here in ATX. So after running some errands in the morning, I’m going to go out and some cold approach. Then focus on putting some more volume into the apps.
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This week’s reflection

Long post ahead. If you read the whole thing, thanks for taking the time. If not, would still like feedback on the questions at the bottom.

Lessons Learned this week:
  • Text game: Sucks. Working on it.
  • Deeper stuff: Old beliefs of “I’m not good enough” coming in, putting me on the offensive of always qualifying, rather than letting them qualify sometimes. Also working on it.
Weekly Stats:

Saturday
  • Hinge: 110 DMs, 2 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 1 Boost, 8 Likes, 5 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0/1
Sunday
  • Hinge: 150 DMs, 9 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 2 Boosts, 11 Likes, 1 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0/1
Monday
  • Hinge: 91 DMs, 7 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 1 Likes, 2 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 2 Matches
  • CA: 0/3
Tuesday
  • Hinge: 45 DMs, 2 Matches, 1 Numbers, 1 Date Scheduled
  • Tinder: 1 Boosts, 9 Likes, 2 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0/1
Wednesday
  • Date: 45 mins, no pull because she had work
  • Hinge: 104 DMs, 1 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 0 Likes, 1 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Thursday
  • Hinge: 50 DMs, 8 Matches, 1 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 0 Likes, 1 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Friday
  • Hinge: 57 DMs, 7 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 1 Boosts, 4 Likes, 1 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Apps

Tinder: most of the likes I am getting from the boosts are very low quality and girls I’m really not attracted to. It also does not really seem to matter when I boost because despite the time I get about 7 each time. The ROI for boosting on there seems pretty low.

Hinge: I have much better success. I message all the girls “Hey you’re sexy. Im looking for something very specific on here.” Obviously that intrigues many girls to find out what. The quality of girls are much higher, some even being very high. Of course here I just have to spend the time to message a bunch of girls. I usually message about 50 on the bus ride to and from the gym, then hit more in the evening

Looking over the stats this week it’s clear that things start to break down when texting. I mostly run Andy’s BDSM lines. Obviously those lines screen harder so I expect to not get as many numbers. However, I did not realize till this week that I was skipping a few of the intermediary texts he use in the Tinder guide because I was just going off the ones on his profile page on the website which they are even more straight to the point. I think just having those few extra texts will build a little more comfort and excitement of actually meeting with me.

I also tried out some of @Mimbe393939 's lines this week, but I’m not at par with his text game so they did not work as well for me. I’m not great yet at push/pull, teasing, being playful or any the other things. And I don’t enjoy texting back and forth anyways. Which is why I just stick with Andy’s lines with as few steps as possible.

Dates

Wednesday: Date from Hinge. She was actually cuter in person than her photos on Hinge. Went to the coffee bar down from my place and she actually bought my tea for me which was a nice gesture. Chatted about regular topics. She asked if I was up to anything later, so I took that as an opening to invite her back to mine. She said she had to go to work right after the date, but that she really wanted to. We talked a little about sex. I asked what her schedule was like and she said she worked all weekend but would know on Sunday for next week. So we made plan to check in then. Walked her back to her car and gave her a brief kiss. I texted the next day but did not receive a response. Based on my 2nd date conversion in the past, I’m not holding my breath it will happen.

I actually think I should have pulled this girl earlier, like 15-20 minutes into the date. The last few dates we have been having decent conversations so I forget to pull earlier. But running Andy’s BDSM lines it’s pretty damn clear what we are here to do. When I draw the conversation on for longer than 30 minutes, I’m sending a signal that I’m ok with getting to know each other. Definitely something I will be fixing from here on out.

Cold Approach

This week I mostly did approaches while I was out running other errands, hence only doing 1-3 each of the days. However I could of got more because I definitely skipped some girls I could have approached. The ones I did approach though were the hottest I had seen that day. My vibe on these approaches was not very good though. Because I had been tracking stats all week for the apps and seeing my conversions really break at the texting, I had been in my head all week about “what to say”. This carried over into my approaches, so every time I saw a girl that was the first thought going through my head. All the approaches ended with them telling me they had boyfriends or were engaged.

I really liked @twonightstander 's idea of using Krauser’s Daygame Mastery to structure approaches, focusing on one portion of the approach each week to master. What I enjoyed about the AA program was there was a ladder of skills you were mastering. I know ultimately the goal is to get laid, but having these intermediary goals to work on makes approaching more fun. And anything that helps to get me out more is beneficiary.

So I’ll start with my vibe before going into the approach, specifically reminding myself:
  • I’m a high value man: I’m still being surprised by how nice women are when I approach them and them complimenting me. It stems from valuing myself (more on that below).
  • This woman wants to have sex, and I want to have sex with her: I forget that women want sex just as much as we do and don’t portray my own sexual interest enough in interactions.
Then after the approach, regardless of outcome, reminding myself:
  • How many other guys actually have the courage to approach women? Further reinforcing the high value man.
The Deeper Stuff

I have two recurring insecurities or thoughts in my life:
  • I’m not good enough
  • I don’t mean anything
They are old programming from my childhood. As a child I equated my value as human to being good enough to receive others love. I thought my dad divorced my mom and left us because I was not good enough. Because my mom pushed me so hard to get good grades and to be a good kid, I thought I had to perform to get her love. Having plenty of other family or close connects die, move away, or disconnect for whatever reason, those became reinforced.

I’ve done therapy. I’ve spent time talking with others about it. I’ve worked on them and come a long way with them. But like any childhood insecurity, they still pop up sometimes.

I know they are not true, not in the form of love that I was confusing as a child. See the Greeks had several words for love, all referring to a different type of love. One form of love is Agape, and universal love for humanity. The basic premise is your human, I’m human, and because recognize the humanity of one another we can love one another. As a child I confused my worth as human being with my ability to receive love. Agape is unconditional, you are good enough because you are human.

Every other type of love is conditional. Philia, love of a close friend, requires that both people do things to make the friendship worth having. Even Storge, familial love, requires some value you are investing in your family for them to share their love with you. If you’re being a piece of shit, good chance your family, including your parents, disown you. The love we are concerned with on these forums are Eros, erotic love, which also is conditional. Each partner is offering their value as a sexual partner.

So how does this actually play out in my game?

Instead of recognizing what value I have to offer in this sexual partnership, like:
  • Objectively, probably a 7/10 in looks. Obviously depending on the girl that could also be a 6 or could be an 8. No chad, but above average, masculine looking and in shape.
  • Open minded and non-judgmental about sexual kinks. I give them a chance to explore those.
  • Intelligent
  • Good at rapport and deeper conversations.
  • Have my own life and shit together: job, startup, hobbies, friend groups, ect.
And the places where my offer is weak, like:
  • Looks for some girls
  • Playful, flirty, fun, lightheartedness
  • Don’t drink or take drugs
  • Early to bed
I still confuse my worth as a human with the offer I am making to the women. This immediately puts me in the “I’m not good enough” pattern and I totally forget the value I do have to offer. So I stop seeing myself as a high value man. As I result, I’m always pushing, always qualifying myself to her. Rather then it being an even dance, push and pull, and let her qualify herself to me sometimes.

Now part of the offer in a causal relationship is the partner being fun, exciting, playful, not serious. I’m a pretty serious person. Returning to the childhood programming, when your mother turns to you as a boy and says you’re the “man of the house” now, you grow up and become serious pretty quickly. When you’re poor, not taking life seriously was a matter of survival. On the other front, watching my dad do lots of drugs, spending money carelessly, and seeing the results of his life I equated that to not taking life seriously. As a result, I’m not very playful in my dates or in cold approach. One of the reasons I was attracted to Andy’s content is because it did not feel as gimmicky as PUA routines. I hate gimmicky. It felt more direct, which I appreciated. However, I recognize I’m missing that lightheartedness, humor, and play in the situation.

Lastly, I recognize I don’t put out much of a sexual vibe on dates or in cold approach. I stay pretty squarely in the platonic realm. I’m still concerned about qualifying myself to her and what her reaction will be.

I only write these things because I can see how they contribute to my results this week in cold approach, texting, and dates.

So what am I going to do about it?
  • Go talk to more girls: really the only way to get better at these things is through experience.
  • Use CBT to reframe “I’m not good enough”: First, I will acknowledge I’m human, they’re human, we are good enough being human. Second, recognize this is separate than the offer we are making each other. Finally, I will remind myself of the value I am offering. It’s just simple sales. Be confident in your product.
  • Texting: Practice. Plain and simple. I won’t afraid of burning leads while practicing because I know there will be plenty more leads. Krauser has some good advice here, so I will do my best to practice that.
Questions
  • Everyone’s mileage varies and ultimately the stats don’t matter. But, I would like to know what the delta is between where I am now and where I could be for these. So, are these average, below, above?
  • I know I am not the only one who has struggled with “I’m not good enough” and valuing yourself in game. What has been your strategies for overcoming that as a beginner?
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Well since you bought the book, I tell you as i've been reading material for the last decade, it's probably the opus magnum and you don't need anything else. It's a bit complicated and much likely you will have to go through it many times, but like K wrote "it's all in here, where you get stuck it has a solution in the right chapter" (or something like that)

>For everything else, I don't have much more to comment as your plan seems pretty solid to work with. With time and taking action, your old set of beliefs will dissolver to leave space to a new one
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Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:44 pm

Bman wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:24 pm
The last few dates we have been having decent conversations so I forget to pull earlier.
You can always talk after you fuck.. but you can't always fuck after you talk.

You have a polarizing look and you have a sexualized profile on top of that. You can't afford to not act like a hypersexualized rockstar when you meet girls. It's wildly incongruent. The date at the bar is there to show her you're not a serial killer. Once that is made clear (after 10-15 minutes) you invite them to your place.

You probably need to work on the vibe you're projecting too. Like you say it's probably too platonic.

A funny thing I read in your post is you hammer home being human all the time. "We're both humans, that's enough."

Try looking at it this way: "I'm a MAN, she's a WOMAN, that's enough." Reframe it like this and embrace the polarity.

There exists a natural attraction between men and women and all you have to do is not fuck it up. In practice that means shutting up and holding eye contact.

Find a PDF of "60 Years of Challenge" it's an old PUA book that helped me out a lot and did the most for me probably. OG stuff.
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twonightstander
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Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:09 pm

Bman wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:24 pm
I really liked @twonightstander 's idea of using Krauser’s Daygame Mastery to structure approaches, focusing on one portion of the approach each week to master.
Thanks for the mention my man. As @AskTheDom said though, I will go with "Street Hustle" first and map out the weeks from there. Then once I have a basic model implemented I can do to Daygame Mastery. I'll be documenting it in my log but we can definitely discuss separately how we will map the weeks in case we can find similarities or suggestions that might be worth testing. Get after it!!!
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Bman
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Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:32 pm

AskTheDom wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:06 pm
Well since you bought the book, I tell you as i've been reading material for the last decade, it's probably the opus magnum and you don't need anything else
I just downloaded it from the internet. But good to know from your experience it's top of the resources for referencing.
Holden wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:44 pm
You have a polarizing look and you have a sexualized profile on top of that. You can't afford to not act like a hypersexualized rockstar when you meet girls. It's wildly incongruent. The date at the bar is there to show her you're not a serial killer. Once that is made clear (after 10-15 minutes) you invite them to your place.
Agreed and recognize. The lays I had previously I pulled in 20 mins or less. I will aim for that in future dates. Might just set an alarm on my phone on vibrate in my pocket to give myself a reminder if I need.
Holden wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:44 pm
Try looking at it this way: "I'm a MAN, she's a WOMAN, that's enough." Reframe it like this and embrace the polarity.

There exists a natural attraction between men and women and all you have to do is not fuck it up. In practice that means shutting up and holding eye contact.

Find a PDF of "60 Years of Challenge" it's an old PUA book that helped me out a lot and did the most for me probably. OG stuff.
Thanks for the reframe and resource. I'll work on that.
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AskTheDom
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Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:47 am

Bman wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:32 pm
AskTheDom wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:06 pm
Well since you bought the book, I tell you as i've been reading material for the last decade, it's probably the opus magnum and you don't need anything else
I just downloaded it from the internet. But good to know from your experience it's top of the resources for referencing.
Holden wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:44 pm
You have a polarizing look and you have a sexualized profile on top of that. You can't afford to not act like a hypersexualized rockstar when you meet girls. It's wildly incongruent. The date at the bar is there to show her you're not a serial killer. Once that is made clear (after 10-15 minutes) you invite them to your place.
Agreed and recognize. The lays I had previously I pulled in 20 mins or less. I will aim for that in future dates. Might just set an alarm on my phone on vibrate in my pocket to give myself a reminder if I need.
Holden wrote:
Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:44 pm
Try looking at it this way: "I'm a MAN, she's a WOMAN, that's enough." Reframe it like this and embrace the polarity.

There exists a natural attraction between men and women and all you have to do is not fuck it up. In practice that means shutting up and holding eye contact.

Find a PDF of "60 Years of Challenge" it's an old PUA book that helped me out a lot and did the most for me probably. OG stuff.
Thanks for the reframe and resource. I'll work on that.
I agree with @Holden entirely.
Women that comes to date with you are probably expecting you to be some sort of wild animal in bed that is going to be dominating and ravaging them like crazy fulfilling a lot of "fantasies" they have, then they go on a date with you and you behave like a normal "nice" guy that kinda put them off.
Looking at your photos, I would expect "rockstar a bit jerk with no fucks given" attitude
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Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:53 pm

This week’s reflection

Thank you guys for the continued advice. I find it helpful and try hard to implement what you mention. I feel like an idiot fumbling at each step of this, but these skills don’t come natural to me so I’m bound to feel like a fool in the beginning. No lays, but this week feels like good improvement though.

@Holden , I looked for "60 Years of Challenge" but there were multiple versions of pdfs labeled that name that had different text. Was not sure which you were referring to.

Lessons Learned this week:
  • Text game: Significantly improved. Krauser’s Daygame Mastery and Mr.V’s guide to texting really helped here. Did a lot more teasing, push and pull, ect which I believe helped me to land 10 numbers this week and get 4 dates scheduled for next week, an improvement from last week.
  • Vibe: Read Troy Francis’ “How to be an Asshole” which helped with my vibe as I was texting, focusing on myself more and pulling the girls into my frame.
  • Consistent Volume: Tried to average about 100 DM’s everyday on Hinge. Then boosting on Tinder every 3-4 days which has helped as well.
Weekly Stats:

Saturday 8/20
  • Hinge: 35 DMs, 0 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 1 Boost, 15 Likes, 4 Matches, 1 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0/1
Sunday
  • Hinge: 130 DMs, 4 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 1 Boosts, 15 Likes, 4 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0/1
Monday
  • Hinge: 100 DMs, 5 Matches, 1 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 2 Likes, 1 Matches, 1 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Tuesday
  • Hinge: 85 DMs, 4 Matches, 1 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 3 Likes, 3 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Wednesday
  • Hinge: 148 DMs, 5 Matches, 1 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 0 Likes, 0 Matches, 0 Numbers, 1 Date Scheduled
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Thursday
  • Hinge: 54 DMs, 5 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 0 Likes, 0 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Friday
  • Hinge: 100 DMs, 5 Matches, 1 Numbers, 1 Date Scheduled
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 0 Likes, 0 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Saturday 8/27
  • Hinge: 100 DMs, 10 Matches, 3 Numbers, 2 Date Scheduled
  • Tinder: 0 Boosts, 0 Likes, 0 Matches, 0 Numbers
  • Bumble: 0 Matches
  • CA: 0
Apps

Tinder: Boosting about every 3-4 days. A couple of the boosts this week got 10-15 likes rather than the 7 I’d been getting previously.

Hinge: Been consistent with DM’ing on average 100 girls a day. From the stats above I get about 5 matches, which is 1:20 girls. This Saturday it was 1:10 girls. Not bad.

Of the numbers I got, one was 6/10, most were 7’s, a few 8’s, and a 9 that is hot blonde bombshell.

The 9 felt like a win for me this week because I was focusing on getting better at text game and it was definitely needed with this girl. Despite how hot I thought she was, I kept teasing her. Landed her number and tried setting a date for within the following two days. She said she could do the next day but would not be off work till late (she’s a bartender). Again, despite how hot she was, no girl is worth me sacrificing a productive day of working on my shit from a lack of sleep. I know some of you would probably disagree, but that’s a hard line for me. That’s my priorities. So I told her that was too late for me and did not get another text back. Figured I would ping her next week. But if I lost her, oh well. I got one hottie, I can get another.

Dates

Saturday (Yesterday): Date from Tinder, 21, very tall, slender, black girl. Could easily model if she wanted. I’m 5’10 and this girl was easily 5 or 6 inches taller than me. Felt like I was copying @colgate or something. Haha. But alas, no pull.

I’m going to try to break this down the best I can so I can identify what I did well and where I need to improve.

Matched with this girl early in the week, pretty standard text stack, tried to schedule with a couple days, but she was not able to meet till Saturday. She also took a very long time to respond between texts and did not invest much in the conversation.

When Saturday came, I sent a confirmation text in the morning and heard no response all day. Figured she was flaking so I tried setting up a date with one of the new numbers I got. Our date was at 6 and she texted at 5:30 if we could push the later because she got done with work late. I said yes lets do 7. I thought she was flaking so I need to clean my apt up a bit and shower still anyways.

Went to the bar at 7 and got a text from her at 7:10 that she had just left and was 30 mins away. I contemplated telling her let’s reschedule but she was already driving. She got there at 7:45, hugged her when she came in, and we got something to drink.

Sat down opposite at a table and we started chatting. She had a neutral emotional level and did not talk much. She seems more introverted and says she doesn’t really like people. But then I would ask her a question sometimes or say something that really lit her face up, get her excited, and laugh. Then sometimes the conversation would die down and I tried to just stare in her eyes and build tension in those moments.

I asked her back to my place about 15-20 minutes in after the conversation had turned to sex.

She said: “Tonight? I just wanted to feel you out tonight.”

“And?”

“I like you. How abooooout… tomorrow after I get off work.”

“I’m busy tomorrow, but free Tuesday or Thursday this week.” (Already had another date scheduled next day)

“Tuesday after 5? That’s when I get off work”

“Yes. After 5.”

“Soooo…. What are you gonna do to me?”

Here I contemplated whether to take the conversation very explicit or to roll it off and make her own mind wander. I decided that because she already said no to the pull, that I did not feel like giving her the emotional satisfaction of describing some sexual act.

“If I tell you, that would ruin the surprise and all the fun.”

Now maybe I could have briefly started some sexual story then stopped midway to make her mind wander more. Maybe this would have turned her on more. But I chose this route. I already knew I had a date tomorrow and because it was getting late (for me) I was glad to be getting sleep.

We chatted for about 10 more minutes on basic stuff and I told her I was going to head home.

“Sure, you don’t want to come back to mine?”

“Tuesday.”

“Okaaay” said in a suit yourself tone.

Walked her back to her car. Decided not to go for a kiss because I’ve made out a bit with girls in the past, go no 2nd date. So just trying the other way out. As she opened her car door she said:

“Are you sure you don’t want to tell me what you’re going to do?”

“Why ruin the surprise?”

She then proceeded to spill the drink she had gotten all over her driver’s seat and I said that is some terrible luck, which we laughed about before I left.

What I feel I did well:
  • Improvement on time: I tried pulling earlier and when it was a no I ended the date shortly after.
  • Asked twice: Have not done this in the past dates.
  • Stuck to decision: Although I don’t know if it was the correct route to take on the sex talk, I at least stuck with the decision once it was made.”
  • Eye contact: Tried to hold eye contact more during the lulls in conversation to build more tension.
  • Seeded the 2nd date: Felt like it was a good sign she suggested the second date and then we scheduled it before leaving.
What I feel I didn’t do well:
  • Sitting opposite: ¾ of my lays since starting on KYIL I sat next to them vs opposite of them. I definitely feel more intimate and sexually charged towards them when I do this. Just need to get over awkward when we first sit down to either tell them to sit next to me or get back up and sit next to her.
  • Vibe: Need to take the flirting I’m doing in texting and bring it over to in person. Doesn’t come natural so I’m working on it.
  • Frame: Felt a bit like a frame battle with the scheduling, her being late, and then the sex question. Don’t know if I handled this the best way.
  • Sex Question: Not sure if I should have divulged into some roleplay or story, or just rolled it of in some better way.
Dates Next Week

Sunday (Today): Have a date scheduled for today. Usually I don’t do Sundays as they are days for me to rest and focus on myself, but this girl is very kinky, very submissive, and seems DTF. We matched about a month ago but her work schedule has kept her busy. But she has still been very keen on meeting and being my sub. I’m pretty fucking horny and ready to rail this girl. So here we are.

Also dates scheduled Monday, Tuesday (2nd date), Wednesday. Also have other girls in process of getting scheduled and ones coming back from trips to try and schedule as well.

Cold Approach

Went out a couple times this week but got way too in my head about it for some reason, so did not approach. I’m very focused on the apps at the moment, but I know eventually this will take some significant dedication to go out every day to make it second nature.

Questions

I think I did better with this date, at least better than my novice self. How did I handle this date? Where could I have done better?
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