Trèfle's progress log - Mediocre dating streak after 11 lays

[Trèfle]

Just had a very disappointing date. Was thinking inviting them straight to my house could be a nice variation on the typical drink date, could be a good training for my in house game (also I'm completely broke until the start of the month so that's a motivating factor too! Really like to avoid that 3 euros beer). So I tried it on a cute blonde chick this morning, she accepted without issues so I thought things were going to be fine. But was I wrong. We sat on my bed immediately and started chatting but she was completely terrified. Tried my usual slow escalation tactics but nothing was working. She refused everything too, no movies / Netflix, no massage, nothing, she really didn't want me to come closer to her too. Wasn't working at all, had to accompany her back eventually things were going nowhere

Funny, this chick from this morning told me I was too "touchy" for her back in my bedroom by texts.

Well, that's an issue : just got banned from Tinder. No idea why, I'm very soft on there

It's a mystery!

Dunno, can you get banned from a dating app from trying to get laid at your place? Angry isn't the word I guess, she texted me that she's not "the kind of girl who sleeps on the first date" (despite asking me before coming if I sleep on the first date often which I said yes too) but didn't seem too offended by my attempt. The texting was just mostly "we don't look for the same thing good luck" on both sides

Doesn't feel like the kind of thing you can get banned for in my point of view

Thanks Bman, probably can get around the ban by the end of the week

[kratjeuh]

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We sat on my bed immediately and started chatting but she was completely terrified.
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And yet you felt the need to overly touch a girl who’s obviously extremely uncomfortable. It would be soft but in todays society this could be labeled as assault.

You got banned on tinder because she reported you for inappropriate behavior in person and that usually resorts into an insta ban. She kept texting you because she’s afraid you’ll do weird stuff if she ghosts you.

[Trèfle]

Yeah I guess that I was moving too fast this time around, happens. Don't agree about the texting, I texted her first because I was curious about how she would have liked me to treat her given I don't know yet how to deal with dates without a date, figured the criticism would be helpful. Don't think there's anything close to what you said at the end, but yeah I guess she reported

Anyway, got 2 "traditional" dates that starts with a drink today, so the ban isn't too harmful yet (yesterday's girl had to postpone). I'll give straight house dates another shot with a better plan later on

[Trèfle]

First date was a bit lame honestly... 30 yo photographer chick, less attractive than in pics, I wasn't particularly feeling her I feel my energy levels suffered from it. Invited her because I figured I still should get more sexual experience but she wasn't interested. Asked me if I wanted us to drink more instead but I turned it down, not very interested

Second date was much more fun, 19 yo super fun military girl who's super into the gym, extremely enjoyable date the vibe was great. Very nervous, even when I was sucking on her breasts she was like "I dunno if we're going all the way" but I did a good job comforting her. Inexperienced despite being hot, she only had me and her 3 exes before ; I'm the first casual one. Sex was great, came all over her breasts. I'm starting to learn myself more I feel, second time in a row that I manage to cum. She even showed me her shiibari photoshoot she did recently afterwards, lots of inspiration. Good girl, hot, shy and with a good attitude. What else could I want

Lay count: 11. Too bad the amount of dates planned is down the drain because, you know, banned but I'll get around to it

Didn't start seriously dieting yet, I wanted to take the full week to enjoy some food I've been craving lately. Will start focusing on it starting on either Sunday or Monday so that'll be the main purpose of my log for a bit. Life's good right now, I'm still fat but otherwise I'm quite happy. Even looking into way to get back into school (I didn't even go to high school so I always get the most miserable of jobs. Starting a business is the end goal but a well paying job on the side would be great). Got a pretty decent idea, scheduled to attend an event on early April about it

[Trèfle]

Going to aim for way less masturbation/porn this month, been using it too much lately and I blame it for me not feeling enough during sex even with chicks I'm very attracted to (managed to find some new condoms that makes things way more comfortable for me too). I manage to cum now but I'd still like more overall feelings. Not masturbating at all for the whole February would be ideal but I don't want to fall into a spiral if I have one bad day so I'll just aim for the least possible days of masturbating and report the failed days here

[Trèfle]

Starting to feel like my retention issues might be mostly out of my control after all this far. That hot military chick told me she'd rather not meet again because sexuality just isn't something casual for her, not surprised at all she told me during the date that she's a very romantic/traditional girl so the fuckbuddies hopes were very small. I don't feel sad, that's still a great memory her butt was magical. I really have started to accept ONS as something positive too. If anything I wonder how I managed to have sex with her on the first date considering her viewpoints on sex and the fact she's out of my league looks wise right now. Glad I did though. I do wanna experiment with not inviting some chicks home on the first date to see if that makes them stick longer though

I'll meet that lay from the week before on Monday again, should be fun. She ain't single so probably not the most ideal girl to retain but she's very interested in trying a lot of the things I have on my bucket list, could be a valuable experience

[Trèfle]

Alright time to get serious again, I feel that week of relaxation was enough to reward myself for the 10 lays - time to start another big goal. I seem to be around 66.5 kgs right now, so the next milestone is 60 kilos. I'll give myself 9 weeks to be generous, prepare in case of bad days

So, new main goal: sub 60 kilos, deadline: 8th of April

[Trèfle]

My dating life sure is weird. Tried to set up yet another date with the girl in couple, figured she's my best way to gain as much sexual experience as possible right now while trying to get back on Tinder (love her body, very slim with big breasts) and then she hit me with that "I don't think I'm in the kind of mood where I like guys right now (she told me from the get-go she does prefer girls a lot) but if you find a girl for a threesome I'm down"

Got one piece of the typical threesome dream at least, will I find the other half I wonder. Despite sleeping with 11 women already I really haven't had much chances to explore my bucket list yet

[Holden]

"I don't think I'm in the kind of mood where I like guys right now (she told me from the get-go she does prefer girls a lot) but if you find a girl for a threesome I'm down"

This is not good news for you, and she's just using you to find a girl for her. As a rule, don't date with girls who have any kind of "requirement" to date them. Dating you should be an end in and of itself, not a means to something else.

Even if you do somehow find a girl for a threesome, I guarantee you won't have a good time. I actually think that message of hers is very disrespectful but maybe that's a personal thing.

[Trèfle]

"I don't think I'm in the kind of mood where I like guys right now (she told me from the get-go she does prefer girls a lot) but if you find a girl for a threesome I'm down"

This is not good news for you, and she's just using you to find a girl for her. As a rule, don't date with girls who have any kind of "requirement" to date them. Dating you should be an end in and of itself, not a means to something else.

Even if you do somehow find a girl for a threesome, I guarantee you won't have a good time. I actually think that message of hers is very disrespectful but maybe that's a personal thing.

Eh it's kind of a weird girl to begin with really, considering she's cheating on her boyfriend I don't have any expectations at all - just trying to get as much bedroom experience as possible esp while the Tinder ban issue isn't solved (shouldn't take too much longer)

No real care about retaining or whatever in that case really but you're definitely right that she's definitely using me to get more girls. But oh well I wouldn't mind checking the threesome check on my list so I do think it's worth a try

[Trèfle]

Shame about the gym right now, was getting consistent again after struggling for a bit since starting work again but I injured my wrist pretty badly 8 days ago, still can barely lift it up so yeah weights aren't on right now. Managed to switch to a one handed backhand for the time being to still play tennis but don't have this kind of options to keep lifting. I still run instead of lifting so the calorie burning is fine but hope it heals soon, really want to get back for good

[Trèfle]

Just some random completely unrelated thoughts but lately I've been wondering if I'm a worse person than I thought. I'm not terrible but I'm certainly not as good as what I thought a few months ago - realizing I had no guilt at all about fucking that girl who cheats on her boyfriend twice made me think a bit on the subject. I started seeing a free therapist and told her about it and she said "you're not the one cheating" which I guess is true but idk, it's the fact that I have 0 second thought or remorse about this stuff that made me think a bit

It's the same for my retention issues I guess. I used to think I was just getting attached to every girl I fucked but this really was never the case. The main issue is that I kept thinking girls never wanted to see me again because they had regrets about fucking me, because I look too bad naked, because of not being good enough in the bedroom (I don't think it's the latter one because I pretty much always make them cum and try to improve my skills each time but who knows). Point is, I don't think I ever cared particularly about any specific girl since I've only slept with ones I've been attracted to so far but they've always been, idk, interchangeable to me thus far? Like I've been wanting to retain a little better just to get more sexual experience and not because I care particularly about any of the 11 women I've slept with those last few months, I'm extremely focused on raw numbers. Been thinking I may have an AI side to my personality, some of it does feel robotic

Just some random thoughts I've been having lately. I'm actually in a really good spot mentally, been having much more passion for my hobbies, I just kinda feel happy and very optimistic (with 15 kilos to lose, a wrist injury and a Tinder ban, what will it be once all of that will go away?), it's great. I don't think realizing I'm not an amazing person is a bad thing, it's not like I'm the worst human being either; I treat women with respect, I'm very loyal to my friends and all that. I think I'm starting to realize I care more about getting what I want than being a saint is all

I should post more about my inner thoughts, feel like my log's been too much about "actions" only lately. Even my lay reports kinda suck, when I see the other ones on the forums I feel inspired to put more passion into these now

[Trèfle]

I don't particularly post about dates that don't end in sex usually but tonight's was so good. Stunning girl, so much more attractive than me it's a little bit confusing why she'd be attracted to me but the date was great, great convo, she didn't want to go all the way on the first date but spent so long making out in my bedroom and then in front of her car. I was so focused on my lay count these past few months I've neglected how fun dating can be. Even if my penis didn't go inside her tonight it's so secondary after all, tonight's the kind of night where I realize that I do like women after all, genuinely

No clue why I have this kind of girls who are so much above me in looks being into me though. I've never fucked a girl who wasn't attractive but like that one was easily a 8 at the very least. Heck so far this year I've slept with more than 50% of my dates, and like I can hardly consider a date like tonight with so much making out a failure just because I didn't have sex either. I finally understand why I've struggled so much with dieting lately: when I was lonely it was easy to motivate myself by thinking I'd get laid once I was lean (even if it wasn't happening because I wasn't talking to women). But now that I realize I can somehow get quite a lot of action as an overweight dwarf with no money, it is a bit harder to focus. Don't get me wrong I know the reasons to be in shape and that's an important goal but I think it's important to realize why I've been struggling so much with that. Up to me to create reasons other than chicks to become attractive; I really want to become a better tennis player for exemple, win more in tournaments and being lean will help for sure. And like, even if I somehow keep making out or sleeping with girls I never thought I'd meet while looking like this I'll obviously always have better results with a better physique

I just feel good right now, want to post about it. Not every area of life is great yet but I do feel like everything's going to be great, that I have what it takes to accomplish whatever I want. It's also my birthday, that year of life is starting quite well. Still don't have Tinder but should be fine soon

[Trèfle]

Feel like I'm truly starting to understand the right philosophy about dating in my core (about time after all these dates I guess). 2 hours after yesterday's date ended I gave her the typical "was a good time, would be happy to meet you again. Have a good night" text, good way to know if I'll see them again or not usually. But man that answer was a first for sure. "I had a great time too, I didn't feel anything beyond friendship for you but we can meet again if you want". Friendzoned 2 hours after tongue kissing a very attractive woman like 150 times in my bedroom, the elevator, in front of her car and playing with her breasts and pussy on my bed, that must be a world record

Can't say I didn't feel anything because she's so hot and I genuinely had a great date but I think it's the healthy kind of disappointment, like the "meet more girls" kind, not the broken despair from a few months back. Good motivation to get hotter too, definitely wouldn't be getting this if I was decently attractive I feel like. Would be less likely at least

[Trèfle]

Had a much tougher time than planned forgetting that chick from last Saturday after all. She was really really beautiful, despite the experience I got with that double digit lay count I was very surprised when we were making out in my bedroom because I figured she was so much out of my league. Wasn't depressed or anything, just thought a lot about her. Got pretty salty when I realized there's a solid chance she was asking if we could be more like FWB in that "friendship but let's meet again" text, she was pretty clearly analyzing me as a boyfriend, asking me if I was planning to get a driver license while I was feeling her pussy in my bedroom and then taking a break mid kissing to check the distance between our places on Maps among other things. I really blew that one, reacted so badly to the friendship text it's definitely a dead lead. I still struggle with emotions sometimes, emotions that shouldn't be a part of the lifestyle I aim for, can't get that attached to first dates. Probably will be better with more and more experience, it's already less of a problem than it used to be

Still my last message still apply, I do know the remedy is to meet more girls. Been a while since the ban, I really wanted to maximize my odds so I took time to redo a lot of photos, buy a new phone and all during the limited free time. Got done with it today, tested the photos on Photofeeler and the attractiveness scores are always high so should be good to go, will be back on Tinder tomorrow morning. Let's see how long it'll take until the 12th lay. This whole ordeal was a good reminder to keep working on my photos consistently to have some on the side for this kind of situation, didn't work on those for months before. Valuable lesson