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Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:59 pm

Nightclub session

I made 4 miserable approaches. I got in my head bcuz:

1) younger audience, I felt like an old fuck (but as I'll expose later, it's all in my head)
2) Cumulative rejections and ghosting

1st girl, I made eye contact with rejected aggressively (threw a drink at my back when I was walking away. yes i confronted her and her simp friend came in to save the day)

Drunk woman in her 30's (weird, the club is filled with 18 year old kids) at a club starts flirting with me and asks me for cigarettes. Then she starts flirting with every guy she runs into. Then I offer her a cigarette... if she blows me. But she of course deflects me and every other guy. And she insults me. Wtf

Another chick, She asked my age. I told her to guess. She said 19. NINETEEN! I look like a 19 year old kid when I'm not shaved. LOL. her friend pulled her away.
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I dont know why my performance varies so much.

I felt like shit afterwards. Feeling like you're missing out on opportunities is the worst feeling. I felt complete destroyed after yesterday "session". I could have easily done 30 approaches.

I guess I don't want it that bad after all.

The logic is very simple:

If you approach more, you increase your chances with each approach.

You should focus on the outcome (one buyer), not how you get it done. Going 2/1000 is better than 1/1.

THEN IT MEANS YOU DONT WANT IT BAD ENOUGH

It's not even anxiety at this point. It's more like feeling drained. My body starts to reject "the hustle". It's like doing something 'ad nauseam'. I don't want to do the repetitive motions that lead to success. Which is why I should get a job.

This is why online dating is much more effective. Everything is automated.

With cold approach, there's so much emotion involved that it's hard to be cold minded and function like a machine that delivers results
Number 1 goal: Earn $1000/month (300000 ARS)
Number 2: Fuck 10 girls from cold approach (5/10)

Number 3: get to 72kg at 10% bodyfat.
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Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:51 am

-Attained the artistic level I wanted. (then midjourney and dall-e came and I said fuck it, I'm learning soft skills, that's the future)

-Traveled to Buenos Aires and met a pick up coach. Got 3 month coaching (in person, then online) at a very inexpensive price, since we were old friends. I met him back in 2018 in a mall where I was doing AA drills
I apprpached about 300 chicks since my last post.

Guy's a beast. He fixed many specific issues with my body language and vibe that I couldnt have fixed alone reading a book. And also, he showed me my negative mindsets and frames around daygame and seduction, how I am still a beta, why alpha males aren't confrontational with women and beta males, why you want to max out authority and empathy at the same time.
-which goes in line with everything I've been reading. I read both Yohami's notes and Saul T's technical game bible twice. I feel I could have a conversation with @pancakemouse now. (thanks for the recommendation)

What can I say? Technical game bible is probably the best synthesis of formal/theoretical game knowledge that is actually useful. This structure/feedback loop of
spark attraction with dhv/stories->ask for a bit of compliance by you investing a bit too, asking specific and purposeful questions->reward with more investment and asking further compliance punish non compliance and reiterate until compliance
Is brilliant. But I find it lacking in body language and I think it sometimes misses the big picture and gets too "gamey".

Yohami is probably the best thing I've ever read on Game besides Good Looking Loser and John Anthony (more on that later). I've even talked to the guy on Facebook. Moreover he lived in Buenos Aires for years. He was likely being a top G while I was simping over my highschool crush! I also think that it's no coincidence that one of the best seducers lived on Argentina for a while. It really forces you to nail social circle game and status.
List of mindblowing concepts:

-top guy gets the easier game, top guy gets the hard game!! Everything is backwards compared to what you think! The more beta you are, the more you get shit tested.
-invest everything in your frame!! Your frame gets the chicks. Spending valuable resources chasing pussy is the OPPOSITE of what you could and should be doing!!
-being alpha/top guy is inches away from you and you can teleport right now, but you must pay the price of symbolic death aka giving up your beta fantasies
-it's not the what, it's the WHO. Daygame isn't the problem. The problem with daygame is it's a bad, inefficient and discouraging environment for learning. You dont have enough samples to compare against, you don't know what works and what doesn't, you dont know what kind of guy she would have said yes to. And it doesnt force you to develop by confronting other alphas. You remain in the comfort of the periphery, lurking for lonely preys. And chicks know this.
Daygame doesn't let YOU build and win.

What,'s the alternative? Find a tribe(s) and become top guy there.
-it's not only about status, but about FRAME and IDENTITY. Being a Top Guy is something you carry with you everywhere. It transpires everything, including body language. Women notice it instantly.
Frame gets you status. But also status naturally builds optimal behaviors in you. It goes both ways. Everything is kinda circular. Success breeds success.
Bottom guy stuff breeds bottom guy stuff. Stop that.

-Dont 'push against' rejection but ignore it, circumvent it. PULL her with your gravity (or push her away). But dont push yourself into her.
-Dont ask for permission. ASSUME the sale. But don't chase either.
-Every chick is a yes. You never hear no. If you hear no, don't spam, try something different until you find the thing that she resonates with and DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT. DISCARD WHAT DOESNT WORK.
-Be empathetic and have situational awareness, like a comedian that tunes to his audience to find what jokes land
-Whatever you think you are, you aren't. Everything in your identity is a transitional structure for your Alpha version. You incorporate parts of it, become an incongruent imperfect alpha, which blows in your face, then crash and burn, then rinse and repeat. Learn from your mistakes and find a better iteration of You.
-Dont re invent the wheel. Dont think rules dont apply to you. Imitate succesful examples. Always compare yourself to the archetype.
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-Got an arm tattoo inspired by artwork by Mucha. It's cool. And it is an anchor for my identity shift.

-pulled 2 chicks from cold approach but couldn't get hard enough. It's 100% psychological. Both chicks were no resistance, super into me, saying I'm so hot. Second chick was hot, small, tanned/brown skin, 19 years old, huge ass and super feminine.

-Bought John Anthony's Occam's Razor at a huge discount. I haven't watched it yet but watched JAL free content and it seems legit as fuck.

-Thanks to my Game mentor I got access for free to an expensive course by a succesful argentinian businessman, who went to one of the mythical Dan Peña's Castle Seminars. Mental supremacy is the name of the course. It's probably the best content I have ever seen on techniques to overcome mindset blocks.

-I've got a car sales job. It's been hard but I sold my first car. So many Game game concepts apply but I'm too tired to write about it. I'm quitting art for now, i'll focus on money. Maybe for the rest of my life. I don't know.

-I also watched my country become world champion. Thanks Messi
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Number 1 goal: Earn $1000/month (300000 ARS)
Number 2: Fuck 10 girls from cold approach (5/10)

Number 3: get to 72kg at 10% bodyfat.
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Amazing progress, and thanks for sharing with all of us.

Knowledge-sharing is really valuable.
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Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:29 pm

Sisyphus wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:51 am
Traveled to Buenos Aires and met a pick up coach. Got 3 month coaching (in person, then online) at a very inexpensive price, since we were old friends. I met him back in 2018 in a mall where I was doing AA drills
I apprpached about 300 chicks since my last post.
Hi, I'm from Buenos Aires and I'm looking for IRL partners. If you are from around here or you travel here, don't hesitate to let me know so we can get together some day.
Keep moving Forward!
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Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:31 pm

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The username is based on a book by Albert Camus, which is based on an ancient greek myth. I love greek mythology, and this one is a cool metaphor for self improvement.
I'd like to bring this one up because Camus made a FANTASTIC point in his book and is often overlooked, and I think it's very important for this community:

Sisyphus was condemned by the Gods to push a boulder up on a hill all day long, just to have it roll at the base everynight.
While we might think that this is horrible, Camus was the one that provided a different POV: Sisyphus found enjoyment in the stability and structure.

"Camus uses the Greek legend of Sisyphus, who is condemned by the gods for eternity to repeatedly roll a boulder up a hill only to have it roll down again once he got it to the top, as a metaphor for the individual’s persistent struggle against the essential absurdity of life. According to Camus, the first step an individual must take is to accept the fact of this absurdity. If, as for Sisyphus, suicide is not a possible response, the only alternative is to rebel by rejoicing in the act of rolling the boulder up the hill. Camus further argues that with the joyful acceptance of the struggle against defeat, the individual gains definition and identity."


When we struggle and feel "loosing" and not doing the work, these words always come back to mind.

I'm so happy you are doing much better
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Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:19 pm

I’ve always loved that story. I even made a key chain about it a while back (viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1416&start=30), so it’s really cool to see a guy on here who actually has that username.
My Progress Log: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1564

My Mental Health Log: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1416
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Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:35 pm

Sisyphus wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:51 am
Yohami's notes
Yohami's notes were an insane eye opener for me. Some of it was too deep to get without rereading multiple times. Probably the best thing I've read thatt can help breakdown false beliefs people hold. Downloading that techical game bible now. If it is anywhere near as good, I'm excited.
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Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:50 pm

Zug wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:35 pm
Sisyphus wrote:
Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:51 am
Yohami's notes
Yohami's notes were an insane eye opener for me. Some of it was too deep to get without rereading multiple times. Probably the best thing I've read thatt can help breakdown false beliefs people hold. Downloading that techical game bible now. If it is anywhere near as good, I'm excited.
Technical Game Bible is a good book, but I personally don't resonate that much with the "manual" "how-to" format (which is of course the goal of the author, as the title indicates). If you are a logical type of person you'll probably like it better than Yohami's abstract ramblings.

Yohami's free flowing style (which is expected coming from someone with an artistic background) is a better fit for the type of skill/knowledge that game is. But again, that's personal taste.

I also like that you get to see the comments from his "disciples". It's almost comical. Yohami hammers the same basic, fundamental points over and over but his "students" bombard him with the same stupid, vain theories or opinions, then he just says "C'mon man. Just look at reality. This shit is basic common sense. Stop overcomplicating"

Yohami: hypergamy hypergamy hypergamy. Be cool, be a top guy, stop doing the same shit that doesn't work, be creativ and find solutions
Student: Yeah but look, it doesn't apply to this situation, I'm a unique snowflake. I don't agree with what you say, I don't like it!!
Look, I did a b c d like you told me, but then I did the same shit I always do. Why I can't get results??? :((
Yohami: Facepalm.

I find the same pattern over and over. A teacher stating simple truths from experience, then his students proceding to not listen and doing whatever the fuck they theorize is better, conviniently avoiding pain and doing something outside their own identity.
It's almost like Plato's dialogues or Jesus teachings. Yohami is always right.
Plus I find it even more valuable that he shares where he came from: suicidal, omega then beta, then pua, then player, then alpha family man. It's not like he was a natural cool guy that played competitive sports in highschool (like Chris Gll). No, he was a video game entrepreneur who figured this shit out in his mid 20's, without working harder, but actually using his critical brain and letting go of things that don't work. It doesn't get any more inspirational than that.

Yes, I'm super hyped about it. Just look at this:
ON RELATIONSHIPS

YOHAMI:

Women want to trade up and economically independent enough to not have to settle with a lower value men (till they are 35 and need to use these eggs), so they spend all their youth fighting to have access to the top men, all while all the top men are spinning plates and banging all the hotties and all the sixes. By the time the woman is 35 she’s burned and jaded and snags a beta who will never be able to measure in fun, or in backbone, or in raw value, or in anything that matters other than stability, to any of the top guys she managed to get involved with when she had more sexual market value, so she grows to hate him, all while the beta tries his best to cooperate, thus devaluing himself more. Then that relationship either ends and the cycle repeats, or the relationship endures and deteriorates.

That covers about all the relationships I’ve ever seen other than a few rare and sparse outliers.

So it’s not that ‘we have to do that’, that’s simply what’s going on, and there are not incentives to do anything else.
ON HYPERGAMY

YOHAMI:

Game is hypergamy. Your desire to be a better man maches women’s desires to find a better man for themselves. Men compete to climb the male ranks and women want the winners. So hypergamy is the only thing there is. Or, there’s nothing out there for hypergamy. It also means that success with women is a given if you’re the kind of man that women see as having more value than themselves – which is the whole point of Game.

Whatever bitterness comes from the realization that women don’t care about men but only about the top tier men, and that this upscaling never ends – comes from something in men that tells them they don’t have what it takes.

Or, it’s bottom guy resenting women for wanting top guy, after realizing that none of that slaving himself and servitude will end up well.

The study of game is the study of Hypergamy.

The “what she responds to” means “what triggers her hypergamy”

All you do in Daygame is checking which girls you can trigger hypergamy on.

Etc.
Number 1 goal: Earn $1000/month (300000 ARS)
Number 2: Fuck 10 girls from cold approach (5/10)

Number 3: get to 72kg at 10% bodyfat.
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Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:45 pm

IMPORTANT NOTES TO SELF: LEARN HOW TO SEXUALIZE AND IT WILL IMPROVE EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR GAME

My approaches are quite robotic. (Same with my prospecting)

My last coaching session with Gaston was the most mind blowing so far.

I noticed I had a hard time (no pun intended) sexualizing verbally. No teasing, no banter, no sexual inuendo, no dirty jokes, no role play. Basically no fun.

That doesn't mean I don't communicate sexual energy or I get friendzoned. I can make moves physically, I can pull the trigger. That's "good enough". But I'm sexual in a very "serious" way and for most chicks that's not the best way to get them horny. Actually all the girls I've hooked up with or dated are pretty weird and shy, and even logical.

And, while you don't need to verbally sexualize to "get laid" my inability to feel at ease while being sexual means there's something to improve about my beliefs and identity. And I think it has everything to do with not being able to get hard.

So my coach showed me a random youtube video of a woman talking to the camera, and I had to improvise. I completely frozed up. Bingo!

Then he switched to porn. I had to dirty talk to a fucking porn actress.

Slowly but surely I started talking. It was STIFF as fuck first.
But when I got more at ease everything changed. It seemed like the most natural thing in the world.

It was such a trigger man. And after I was able to do it, it was a HUGE mindset/frame shift.

It's like, now every time I see a woman, I can picture her sucking dick, getting fucked in a every way possible. And it's a normal thing. It happens.

Women are sexual. If they're unreceptive, it's MY FAULT, because I'm uncomfortable and I PROJECT that stiffness to them. My goal is to PROJECT A SEXUAL AND FUN FRAME.

I've applied the same "frame" or "feeling" to recent daygame approaches and noticed a difference. This is so fucking hard to measure and to empirically proof, but I swear this shit is real. I got the number of a 10/10 girl. I know this means shit, but it was once of those approaches that started a bit stiff, but I made it comfortable and cool. Then I kinda run out of things to say, I wasn't free flowing and I "cared" about the interaction, which probably showed through in my intent.

IMPORTANT MINDSETS:
I'M THE SHIT. I'M A 100/100 IN VALUE. IT'S ASUMED.
DONT INVENT BARRIERS. THIS SHIT IS SUPER EASY!
A HOT CHICK ISNT SPECIAL. EVERY DAY DOZENS OF 10/10 CHICKS ARE DOING LAP DANCES TO ME.

TO DO: PRACTICE DIRTY TALK TO A MIRROR, DO ROLE PLAYING. THIS IS KEY. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. DON'T JUST APPROACH.

I need to apply the same progression to:

-Chit chatting
-Free asociation
-Jokes
-Telling stories
-Light banter, indirect sexual comments, etc.
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Number 2: Fuck 10 girls from cold approach (5/10)

Number 3: get to 72kg at 10% bodyfat.
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pancakemouse wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 am
Yohami, a Venezuelan who lived in Argentina for a long time
pancakemouse wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 am
I count him as one of my mentors:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OMf ... lQIxg/edit
Thank you so much for this @pancakemouse.

This may be the best thing I've read on dating and sex since The Sex God Method.
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Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:19 pm

Manly Cockfellow wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:07 am
pancakemouse wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 am
Yohami, a Venezuelan who lived in Argentina for a long time
pancakemouse wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 am
I count him as one of my mentors:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OMf ... lQIxg/edit
Thank you so much for this @pancakemouse.

This may be the best thing I've read on dating and sex since The Sex God Method.
I didn't get much out of the SGM, why did you like it?
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Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:25 pm

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Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:19 pm
Manly Cockfellow wrote:
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Thank you so much for this @pancakemouse.

This may be the best thing I've read on dating and sex since The Sex God Method.
I didn't get much out of the SGM, why did you like it?
Grateful for your question, @Zug.

I don't mean to make Sex God Method sound like the end all be all, because it's not, but it does have some great lessons for how to give women consistently great sex, especially in it's emphasize on needing to do a lot more than just specific physical techniques.

It's emphasis on immersion, emotion, dominance/physicality, possession, dirty talk, teasing/edging and variety are all spot on.

That being said, as @Holden has mentioned before, there is definitely another level beyond SGM, and thanks to resources like the Yohami one I thanked @pancakemouse for above, I believe I'm starting to understand what it is.


As far as I can tell the main problem with SGM (and with almost everything men like us consume and share on forums like this one) is that it all focuses too much on what is fun and exciting and attractive and pleasurable for women, which don't get me wrong can make you very popular and get you plenty of sex, but will never get you to the truly elite tier that at least some of us are aiming for.

To me at least, if you truly master everything in SGM you will be more like the world's most popular gigolo than a sex god.


To become a true sex god you have to be just that, a god and gods are above women.

As Yohami so astutely observes and teaches, no woman will ever truly give herself to you completely, become your perfect little whore and your loyal slave, and experience the absolute pinnacle of ecstasy unless she feels certain that you are above her.

And she will never feel you are above her if you are completely devoted to her pleasure like the man who wrote Sex God Method seems to be.

But if you fuck her and forget her, like a god (or a celebrity like Brad Pitt) would, then she's yours to do with as you please whenever you want.


We're all so obsessed with getting women to desire us and enjoy sex with us, but to truly attain god-like sex appeal we must do the opposite, we must be so sure of our superiority that women become like peasants lining the road as we pass in the king's carriage.

With one flick of our royal wrist we can change their lives and give them more value than they've ever seen, but to us they can never be anything more than a brief amusement.

We're the fucking king after all.


As always, would love to hear other perspectives on this, especially @AskTheDom.
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Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:18 pm

I can only agree with what you wrote Manny,

SGM is a fantastic book to guide entry level guys to how sex that is interesting is done, although it stops there. If you want specific stuff, dig deeper.

My main issue, and it seems no sexual coach touch point on this, is that the female orgasm is originated in their minds and no matter how much "work" you put into making her orgasm, if there is a misalignment between body and mind, mind always wins.
So "winning the mind" matters more than knowing how and where to touch.

If in bed she gets the feeling or idea that you are there to please her, it pedestals her too much, while if you play the dominant card, she finds pleasure in submitting to you.
I'm not going into the power exchange plays, the consent, etcetc because we could be here for hours.
Manly Cockfellow wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 6:25 pm
But if you fuck her and forget her, like a god (or a celebrity like Brad Pitt) would, then she's yours to do with as you please whenever you want.
Not really sure I understand this because it's few different things: I agree that you have to be perceived as superior in value, afterall, Women want to mate up in a biological POV, but "fuck her and forget her" it's a bit against my policy
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Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:24 pm

Manly Cockfellow wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:07 am
pancakemouse wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 am
Yohami, a Venezuelan who lived in Argentina for a long time
pancakemouse wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 am
I count him as one of my mentors:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OMf ... lQIxg/edit
Thank you so much for this @pancakemouse.

This may be the best thing I've read on dating and sex since The Sex God Method.

I always loved hearing Yohami POV's, especially I remember the long discussions on Nash daygame blog (and definitely you could see there were high IQ conversations) my main regret from these days is to not have pushed the two to have an audio debate because when they conflicted on a point, it was generating a lot of insights
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Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:57 pm

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Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:18 pm
Manly Cockfellow wrote: ↑But if you fuck her and forget her, like a god (or a celebrity like Brad Pitt) would, then she's yours to do with as you please whenever you want.
Not really sure I understand this because it's few different things: I agree that you have to be perceived as superior in value, afterall, Women want to mate up in a biological POV, but "fuck her and forget her" it's a bit against my policy
I just meant that for true sex god appeal you need to have an infinitely abundant mindset.

So abundant and full of love that you literally believe you are the god of love sent down from heaven to give the divine gift of your cock to every beautiful woman on earth, but you can't focus to much on any one woman, because the rest of them need your love too
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