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Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:33 pm

Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 pm
I've kind of thought about your posts on here some. I don't think I've ever actually seen or heard of anyone like you before and I don't mean that in a bad way either.
I actually feel like I'm an average guy with severe(?) mental issues. I know you don't mean it in a bad way.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 pm
I mean is the issue though that you feel like you need to have sex to get love from girls and you can't get it w / o it and you only want love from them and not sex? I am just trying to understand you but I don't think the same say so I am not sure I actually even can exactly.
YES!! A huge part of it is that! I feel like I can't be the person I truly WANT to be and get the results that I want - love. It would be great If I could be loved without sex and I could obv. give it back.

But a huge part of it is the fact that girls (and well... Guys too) don't even... Feel that? I want a relationship, not sex. I also don't want girls to want it from other guys - I WANT them to be... "wholesome" and rather "non sexual" in a way - It doesn't mean that sex is completely off limits, it's mostly that the "primal" sex is off limits. I don't enjoy the "animalistic" and "wild" aspects of sexuality.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 pm
I mean honestly if you are truly asexual then I don't see how you can't actually get tons of love and appreciation from people, including girls, without having to fuck anyone. If anything it might be even harder when you want to fuck them, cause then there is more on the line.
That's the incredibly depressing part. I have to be the person I have completely zero interest in being (even being borderline repulsed) to feel loved. It sucks.

99% of the time I DO NOT get sexual urges towards girls I have a crush for - I only have sexual urges towards some random girls. I think it's a form of the "madonna-whore" complex or something, but it has been like that for as long as I can remember - It hasn't developed w/ porn or something, that I have some unrealistic expectations of how a girl should behave in bed etc.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 pm
I think girls actually love to just be friends with high value guys and not have to fuck them. I don't see any issue there really.
Yes, I truly agree! Most of my life I've been surrounded by great girls! I LOVE women for their platonic side, I can't feel any attraction towards the "true primal" nature. I'd just like them to NOT have that primal side, you know? I don't WANT them to be fucked hard not by me nor anyone else - I think it's understandable that a person would like to have a person who has the same wants and need and does feel alienated when these things come out.
(I actually thought up until college that people want relationships lol)
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 pm
I just can't tell if you are actually truly asexual or there is something else going on here and it seems maybe you don't exactly either? I don't know.
I am not - no. I feel aroused by certain aspects of women, but I don't feel aroused by the act of "hard" sex itself. (I feel aroused by certain body parts, masturbation etc.). I've also never gotten the "hot babe" gist lol.
But these are just "fetishes", it doesn't mean that I'm asexual.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:15 pm
I definitely would see it being a problem for the mass majority of women though if you want them to basically just love you and not have sex with you and have some sort of non sexual committed love or something. Maybe if you met a girl who is the same as you, I don't know if that person does exist or not, but if they do I would think it be very hard to find.
I know, it is. I can't find the connection between love and sex and it sucks. I WISH I could be more normal, more sexual, I wish I would like 10, 20, 50 girls, approach them and be liked by them on the same level etc.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:35 pm

Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:20 pm
What exactly are you wanting from a girl to happen? Cause you seem to want / need something from them at least, but then are asexual at the same time. Just for them to love you? I'm not sure I fully understand what that means or would entail. If a girl loved you, and you got exactly what you wanted, what would it look like?
Watch movies, chill, cuddle, maybe sometimes kiss and shit.
Have fun in the literal sense, not in the "tinder" sense lol. Kinda just... "be". Maybe sometimes have sex too, I guess.

Like "romantic friends" in a sense. All that beta male shit, dude :D I still have the need to be WANTED, I just don't have the need to have physical sex.
That's why all of that "red pill" goals seem alien to me. They also keep talking about "blue pill" goals - what exactly are they? Are they wanting to have a family? Are they wanting to have one girl? Are they wanting to have a lot of sex with that one girl?
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm

If you just want to have a loving relationship with a girl, with some less dirty sex involved, I think that is alot more doable.

That would mean you aren't actually asexual then.

I think there is girls who would be into it. I don't know about the pure virgin part, but I could definitely see girls who were totally cool with just being in love and it's not like you have to be asshole to them or do all this dirty stuff to them.

I don't know exactly how what you consider like going too far sexually though.

I actually like all that "beta" stuff too you are referring to, but just also like more dirty / kinky sex too, like a balance. I don't like to just do one or the other. There is nothing wrong with wanting a girl to love you or be romantic with you though, don't listen to any of that red pill nonsense about that, those guys are literally fucking idiots and most of them are way less successful I'd figure with women than they put on as well.

I'm not sure what kind of sex you are referring to or how often, but I could definitely imagine more so that a girl could actually accept you for this and want to be with you. Some definitely wouldn't for sure, but if you truly aren't interested in anything else, I don't think you should care. Go after what you want and I wouldn't try to be someone you are not either.

Have you tried very much to establish relationships with girls like the one you are ideally imagining and if so how has it gone?
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:08 am

JamalHash123 wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:43 am
You like girls, you just don't like girls that seem like they are sexually attracted to bad boys/masculine men (ie 99% of girls) because you have low self confidence and you don't think you are that man and you think that you will lose the girls you get to those kind of men. Hence why I think you focus on "pure, virginal girls" hence your Madonna/whore complex. Hence your focus on rough sex because you associate rough sex with girls who like masculine men (someone who you think you are not and who you think you will never be).

Your disgust of sexually active girls is actually your ego's subconscious self-protection mechanism ("How can they reject me/cheat on me if I don't want them in the first place?").
Only saw this part now too cause reading the whole thread this time. I thought this too potentially but if you really don't actually want to be rough or aggressive with women, then don't. Like you truly don't, not that you have hangups or issues about it, but actually want to deep down. There is a difference between the two.

I think you should start trying to get more clear with yourself of "what do I actually want?". And then going after it.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:17 am

Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm
If you just want to have a loving relationship with a girl, with some less dirty sex involved, I think that is alot more doable.

That would mean you aren't actually asexual then.
I agree.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm
I think there is girls who would be into it. I don't know about the pure virgin part, but I could definitely see girls who were totally cool with just being in love and it's not like you have to be asshole to them or do all this dirty stuff to them.
Nah, I'm not assuming a "pure perfect waifu material submissive virgin" :D
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm
I don't know exactly how what you consider like going too far sexually though.
Everything that's rough - choking, dominance, "rough" sex. Everything that guys/girls for the most part like (I know not all). Everything "lust" based.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm
I actually like all that "beta" stuff too you are referring to, but just also like more dirty / kinky sex too, like a balance. I don't like to just do one or the other. There is nothing wrong with wanting a girl to love you or be romantic with you though, don't listen to any of that red pill nonsense about that, those guys are literally fucking idiots and most of them are way less successful I'd figure with women than they put on as well.
I mostly agree. Through the past couple of years I've even become slightly more "left leaning", meaning that evo-psych does not have all of the answers - think about all the different cultures etc. In Myanmar villages, guys get hard when they see girls with these long neck rings, in some african villages girls pick guys due to their abilty to jump high and bald chicks are "in". Hell, a couple hundred years ago elbows and ankles were considered hot - not even talking about the statue of Venus or small dicks being a cool thing in ancient Greece etc.

Toxic masculinity in that sense DOES exist and constantly trying to "kill the beta" DOES make guys depressed.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm
I'm not sure what kind of sex you are referring to or how often, but I could definitely imagine more so that a girl could actually accept you for this and want to be with you. Some definitely wouldn't for sure, but if you truly aren't interested in anything else, I don't think you should care. Go after what you want and I wouldn't try to be someone you are not either.
You're mostly right.
Dustin wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:52 pm
Have you tried very much to establish relationships with girls like the one you are ideally imagining and if so how has it gone?
No. I'm a guy who has never had a date and Is a virgin - I've never even met a girl who seems like that. I've had some "bad apples" like most guys - for me, they were girls who had crushes on me and had boyfriends, meaning they wanted to cheat with me etc. (can't blame them - college, first year, long distance. The usual)

I'm a mentally disturbed guy who writes here to rant and to clear his head - A lot of my ramblings come from emotions and deeply rooted issues + overall loneliness.
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:08 am
I think you should start trying to get more clear with yourself of "what do I actually want?". And then going after it.
The thing is - I feel like it's impossible due to cultural and maybe biological factors.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:31 am

What I would do is start trying to just be honest with girls and present yourself and what you want to them, even do it online at first if doing it in person is alot more scary. Just be yourself, but at the same time push for what you want, and just see what happens and how they react. I think that would be a very helpful step for you.

I have lots of self worth and appearance issues too by the way, but I am doing that right now, even doing it today, just being my actual self to girls and seeing what happens. And just telling them what I actually want as well. And it actually feels amazing cause even though they can reject me or not like it, it's like the actual real me right now, just the fact that I am even able to be who I really am and express myself to women in that way is very cool to me right now.

I can't really get laid yet either due to ED issues, my dick is even literally has scabs and scarring on it right now from jacking off so much (which disappear in time), which is not in my head and actually real, although we will differ here cause I'd really do anything to get laid right now and even just have a normal functioning dick. But I would love to be fucking some chick right now, trust me.

There is actually power when you can just be who you are and not be ashamed of it. I think we are very similar in having that issue actually, even if we want different things or what we are ashamed of exactly is different.

Reading the thread right now too and you seem to have alot of body dysmorphia you mention, OCD, etc.

It's possible too that you actually want to do things like choking girls, etc and just have weird mental gymnastics going on, but I am not you so that is pretty hard to get to the bottom of. If you really don't want to do those things though, then definitely don't.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:31 am

Just finished reading the whole thread.

I also think by the way you do actually want to sleep with girls or a girl, but you are just a virgin right now and have tremendous blocks between you and women at the moment. And those are definitely very difficult to untangle.

I haven't been a virgin in a plenty long time but I remember thinking all sorts of crazy shit when I was, including stuff similar to what you describe now that I even think about it. I don't think I ever was thinking I was asexual but I definitely recall being appalled at like "how things were" and being a "douchebag" or whatever and that it "wasn't right" that this was how it was and "I'm not like that". And being super pissed at women for being like that.

It took me a tremendous amount of time to get over that obviously.

I even feel like I have serious blocks still right now, and I'm definitely not a virgin at this point. When you are a virgin I think the problems are even magnified alot more.

I think it's just hard for you possibly to comprehend this right now though, from the place that you are in.

I do think if you work on this though, and it might take a long ass time too, that one day it's possible you'd see things very different though.

Maybe you really don't want to do those things, but I'd at least entertain the possibility as well if I were you that this is just a large deal of mental issues + virginity combining to warp your mind and thinking alot.

Just some things to consider and think about of course.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:15 pm

Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:31 am
What I would do is start trying to just be honest with girls and present yourself and what you want to them, even do it online at first if doing it in person is alot more scary. Just be yourself, but at the same time push for what you want, and just see what happens and how they react. I think that would be a very helpful step for you.
Been doing that for the most part of my life. It makes me happy in the social sense - I can fully be a "weirdo", I can say and do whatever makes me happy etc. However, it doesn't mean that girls will like me in a romantic/intimate way when I'm truly "myself". The shitty thing is that I've always had to put up this small act, give 110% of myself in order to get any reaction and You CAN'T keep up with that. It's impossible - It's incredibly frustrating to be that kind of a person, even though yeah, you do get some results.
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:31 am
I can't really get laid yet either due to ED issues, my dick is even literally has scabs and scarring on it right now from jacking off so much (which disappear in time), which is not in my head and actually real, although we will differ here cause I'd really do anything to get laid right now and even just have a normal functioning dick. But I would love to be fucking some chick right now, trust me.
Ah man that sucks! I hope you find a way, no matter if your goal is getting laid or something else. Excessive wanking can really put a damper on your performance.
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:31 am
There is actually power when you can just be who you are and not be ashamed of it. I think we are very similar in having that issue actually, even if we want different things or what we are ashamed of exactly is different.
Yeah, I truly understand! But trust me - I've been a nerd, a popular guy, a singer, a musician, the "funny guy", the complete neckbeard etc. It really, really doesn't change much. The only thing it does is yeah, you're happier and you can do whatever you want but It does NOT make you wanted by the opposite sex. It just doesn't. The only way for me is to be someone I DON'T want to be, to act in a way I DON'T enjoy acting and it sucks.
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:31 am
Reading the thread right now too and you seem to have alot of body dysmorphia you mention, OCD, etc.
Jup. It seems you've had these problems too :) A lot of my body dysmorphia comes from the fact that I've been told/shown that I'm NOT wanted. It's not only this mental hickup - It's the reality of me not being wanted leading to body dysmorphia and confidence issues (no shit).
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:31 am
It's possible too that you actually want to do things like choking girls, etc and just have weird mental gymnastics going on, but I am not you so that is pretty hard to get to the bottom of. If you really don't want to do those things though, then definitely don't.
I've never, ever had these sexual fantasies. I've only learned about these things through other people. First I thought that men wanted to do rough shit because chicks dig that dominance, now I've realized that guys for the most part actually want that too.
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:31 am
I also think by the way you do actually want to sleep with girls or a girl, but you are just a virgin right now and have tremendous blocks between you and women at the moment. And those are definitely very difficult to untangle.

I haven't been a virgin in a plenty long time but I remember thinking all sorts of crazy shit when I was, including stuff similar to what you describe now that I even think about it. I don't think I ever was thinking I was asexual but I definitely recall being appalled at like "how things were" and being a "douchebag" or whatever and that it "wasn't right" that this was how it was and "I'm not like that". And being super pissed at women for being like that.
Oh yeah, absolutely. The worst thing about it, like I said, Is the fact that if you don't "fit" in the system, you have nothing to do but to adapt, however this adaptation is still really shitty if these things aren't the things that you want.
Dustin wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:31 am
It took me a tremendous amount of time to get over that obviously.

I even feel like I have serious blocks still right now, and I'm definitely not a virgin at this point. When you are a virgin I think the problems are even magnified alot more.

I think it's just hard for you possibly to comprehend this right now though, from the place that you are in.

I do think if you work on this though, and it might take a long ass time too, that one day it's possible you'd see things very different though.
The thing is that I still don't know how to get over it. I've often heard the phrase "talk to more girls"- Ok, now what? I see that they fundamentally still want pretty much the same thing, they fundamentally kind of judge me according to the same parameters. Sure, girls can be great friends and great people overall, but how the hell do I start wanting someone for a romantic life if the romantic/intimate marketplace is against me?

Why would I want to compete with 10, 20, 50 guys? Even if I'm a 6-7/10, why would I pick her if she can easily get another 6, 7, 8 / 10 with the click of a button? Why would I even want to be w/ someone if 50 simps are orbiting around her EVEN THOUGH she doesn't want most of them?

I really don't want to share intimate experiences with 25 guys before me - It makes me feel like a useless object, which I for the most part am.
I just don't see the way out. Self improvement, in my oppinion, ISN'T a way out. It's pretty much "become this above average guy that might sometimes luck out with a girl". I don't WANT to luck out, I don't WANT to be the "best option" - It makes me feel completely useless that I'm just another pick from "the best".

I KNOW I am decently attractive. I really can't do much more. (I've made a list of things that I CAN do in a post a while back) - It would STILL suck.

I do truly understand why a lot of guys commit suicide - for a lot of guys, this does seem like the only realistic option when the opposite is "become attractive lol".
I don't WANT to be a 6 foot 2 muscular guy who fucks women. I want to be a regular normie with a regular girlfriend who doesn't want that kind of a guy, to whom I'm not the 54th pick. If that truly is unobtainable then... I'm willing to give up in a few years. (not now lol, I still have goals to pursue, still have band performances, still have to become a better visual artist, maybe release an album)

If sexual behavior isn't regulated, then this world is sadly not for me. However, I do understand that for a looot of people this wouldn't be the solution :D
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:33 pm

A man is at point A and wants to get at point Z. He says he really wants to.
He tried everything from B to V.
Didn't work.

He still has a few options left.
One of these options is Y.


He complains he can't get to Z.

He asks people for support and guidance.


Eventhough other people can't be sure of the right way to go, they still, according to logic, suggest him to go from Y.


What the man does ?


He Will go on and on again through B to V and come back and say the same things over and over.
That He wants Z.


Sure He learned a few things along the way, New things, New perspectives, but Nothing anywhere like Z.


Now the man a little more courageous goes through W.
Still didn't work.

Again the suggestion is Through Y.
Still He doesn't get it.





Bro, congrats for your efforts and your progress. I mean it.
Though, one more time.
Whilst this may not be what you are looking for, why wouldn't you Finally and once and for all go and concretely hit on girls, or do the AA PROGRAM, or maximize your social freedom to discover wether or not it would produce for you acceptable and enjoyable results.?

Because once again, you are talking about something which you didn't even touch.
That makes no sense at all.



I say this with Love.

Be brave.
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:54 pm

Wifty wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:33 pm
A man is at point A and wants to get at point Z. He says he really wants to.
He tried everything from B to V.
Didn't work.

He still has a few options left.
One of these options is Y.


He complains he can't get to Z.

He asks people for support and guidance.


Eventhough other people can't be sure of the right way to go, they still, according to logic, suggest him to go from Y.


What the man does ?


He Will go on and on again through B to V and come back and say the same things over and over.
That He wants Z.


Sure He learned a few things along the way, New things, New perspectives, but Nothing anywhere like Z.


Now the man a little more courageous goes through W.
Still didn't work.

Again the suggestion is Through Y.
Still He doesn't get it.





Bro, congrats for your efforts and your progress. I mean it.
Though, one more time.
Whilst this may not be what you are looking for, why wouldn't you Finally and once and for all go and concretely hit on girls, or do the AA PROGRAM, or maximize your social freedom to discover wether or not it would produce for you acceptable and enjoyable results.?

Because once again, you are talking about something which you didn't even touch.
That makes no sense at all.



I say this with Love.

Be brave.
I truly agree and appreciate your guys help and I know it is like a broken record going circles "from B to V" etc.
Doesn't the AA program make you have a high risk of getting MeTood? (I'm half serious here).

I don't want to get rape charges, I don't want to be valued due to my perceived looks, I don't want to NOT get rape charges just because I'm good looking enough etc.
What if she has a boyfriend and wants to cheat? Then I feel shitty for having the ability to hurt another guy + I feel shitty for the girl acting like that.

Even every positive interaction/reaction from girls is negative to me now because of the REASONS why these reactions occur.

I know. I need to change something. I need to change my surroundings.

The problem with that is that it's a largel scale societal issue that CAN'T just be changed by changing your surroundings. I don't have value in another place.
I don't have value due to my gender - because I was born as a man, just like the majority of men don't have any value. The notion of adapting is such a weird way of thinking - why not change the system itself? Why be a mushy person and change yourself just to cope with hell? Why not make hell itself a little bit better?

I don't get the coping/adapting part of it.

But you ARE correct. You are, truly. It's just that my brain is constantly, CONSTANTLY 24/7 fighting with myself and I don't know for how long I can take it. Alcohol Is one way I guess - maybe that's why guys often get wasted before trying to talk to girls? To not feel the hatred towards the "primitive" part or something :D :D
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MattsCrib wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:54 pm
What if she has a boyfriend and wants to cheat? Then I feel shitty for having the ability to hurt another guy + I feel shitty for the girl acting like that
I was gonna write a long winded paragraph about having totally disturbed expectations about how easy cold approaching is, but instead I'll boil everything down in a powerful word :

ROFL
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Crisis_Overcomer wrote:
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MattsCrib wrote:
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:54 pm
What if she has a boyfriend and wants to cheat? Then I feel shitty for having the ability to hurt another guy + I feel shitty for the girl acting like that
I was gonna write a long winded paragraph about having totally disturbed expectations about how easy cold approaching is, but instead I'll boil everything down in a powerful word :

ROFL
That's fair :D :D But it's actually true lol I've had huge long bouts of depression due to meeting girls in college who wanted to cheat with me.
This is pure soyboy talk, I know! :D
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:22 pm

I mean this would be alot easier to discuss with you in person honestly. And it would be easier to zero in on your problems to see you around girls and stuff as well.

Really though this just comes across like thinking overload.

If you approach girls and get laid and learn to put yourself forward with them, I think all this nonsense in your brain will decrease over time.

Yes you already interact with women but how many are you like forward / aggressive with?
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:23 pm

And I don't mean like you are rough and dominating or whatever. You can just be yourself but you still have to be the one to push for things or move it forward or lead.

If you are doing this consistently with girls and still having this problem, then I think it's more worthy of in depth discussion for a bit and to decide what to do next. But are you at this step yet?
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