Dead Ends & Tire Kickers

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Mav
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:30 am

So how do you guys avoid dealing with tire kickers? Thought I had a pretty decent lead from tinder... we were vibing well back and forth... good chemistry over text. So about six messages in (which took about 4 days to get to, but they were long messages), I ask her out using a modified format of Andy's let's grab a drink line. She agrees and we setup for Saturday. When I went to confirm with her, got a bs excuse about the hurricane blah blah blah. When I cut to the chase, she admits she isnt interested and was hesitant to tell someone no.

I get a lot of tire kickers, which I'm sure is somewhat normal but pisses me off. It's not as much it being a complete waste of my time, as much as it is thinking I have a solid lead. I have reduced the amount of waste of timers by switching to Andy's more direct messaging. But I'll still have quite a few agree when they have 0 interest in actually meeting up.

Maybe I need a more ruthless approach. You're either in or you're out and if you flake on first date, delete and next automatically. I used to feel I was losing some decent leads this way. (Keep in mind, I'm looking for something that could turn into a relationship, not just a bunch of one night stands or fwb's)

What do you guys think?
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:29 am

Did you read Andy’s tinder guide?

You’re going about it all wrong.

Looking for the 1 night stands and FWBs leads to long term relationships.

Sounds counter intuitive to people just starting but once you get laid enough and have multiple long term FWBs you get the option of long term relationships.

Also why take 6 days to get a girls number. You should go for it the day you match with her.

Once you get that number or match honestly. If you don’t hangout with her in 48 hours you were never going to in my opinion

Also you should focus on just getting laid/experience first. Otherwise you will most likely end up settling for some average/boring or worse abusive girlfriend.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:47 am

In my experience, fwb and one night stands have just led to monkey branching. And I don't expect anything more than an average girlfriend, not a great looking guy haha... women have infinite options these days.

I would have gotten her number faster if I could. It wasn't six days, it was four. She'd send a message a day lol... but they were longer messages, so I assumed there was a bit of interest.

The 48 hour rule hasn't been my experience. Most of the girls I've slept with we ended up meeting a week or later after matching. Even my most recent one. But obviously, the sooner the better.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:21 am

Hopefully @KillYourInnerLoser @chado can articulate all this better than me or help you understand this a bit better. Or explain your original posts questions.


So let me start by saying you only have around 6 lays right?

You don’t have enough experience to say every girl monkey branches....

Also, if that was even the case... consider this why are they monkey branching? If you put in the work to become that guy akin to @chado or @KillYourInnerLoser they Typically stick around/fight for your attention.

There also seems to be a bit of a mindset issue with you. You only expect an average girl?? This forum is about exceeding expectations.

There’s a lot of dudes on GLL/KYIL and in real life who aren’t “goodlooking” model types that attract/date hot girls/high value (insert whatever PUA bullshit).

My buddy whom I posted in one of chados tinder threads embodies it as well.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:37 am

I didn't say that all women monkey branch. Being someone akin to Andy or Chado, just isn't realistically possible for everyone. I'm sure they busted their asses for what they've achieved and I'm not taking that away from them but not everyone has the same obstacles or genetic ceiling to work with. While this shouldn't stop anyone from putting 100% in, it matters.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:00 am

Mav wrote:
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fwb and one night stands have just led to monkey branching
Done everything in the Retention guide?
https://killyourinnerloser.com/tinder-guide-5

90% of the stuff in that guide has nothing to do with looks, so don't make excuses like "chad and andy are hot and I'm not". Most of the stuff in there is stuff you can DO, not stuff you ARE.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:32 am

I've read it. It's a good article and have done quite a bit of it before ever even reading it. It does say how important looks are though. It's true, the better you look the better everything you'll have... retention, opportunities, etc.

Anyways, posted the thread to figure out how to minimize time wasters. Matching and getting a number/date setup same day has rarely worked. I guess I'll just be more ruthless and if they're not in immediately, they're out. Get on average 8-10 tinder matches a week but just can't convert them... no matter how well it seems like we vibe. Can take months to find one girl who doesn't flake, then we usually aren't a match.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:45 am

Yeah for sure looks matter dude. But you have this weird fucking defeatist attitude towards looks.

You looking less attractive doesn't mean you can't get the results I/Chad have. It just means you have to work hard to get there.

You can literally hit the same level we have - just work harder. God knows I've had to work FUCKING HARD to go from obese to stud:
https://killyourinnerloser.com/youre-so-lucky/
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:58 am

Are you saying I can hit the same level looks wise or with girls?
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:12 am

Yes that's exactly what were saying
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:12 am

Which one? Guessing same level of girls because if you look at a picture of Chad, compared to me, it's pretty clear I'd never come close to looking halfway as good, or tall. It just isn't possible. Looks is a huge factor for most attractive women, so how do I get Chad level girls with low level looks? Not trying to be argumentative but I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around that.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:18 am

I don't see the reason for deleting their number. Just save the numbers and in a couple of weeks/months/whatever send out a mass text to all of the numbers you have. If you have 100+ numbers at least a couple of them would be dtf eventually. Don't think about commitment before you hit first, that automatically puts you in the weaker position.
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:20 am

Mav wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:12 am
Which one?
BOTH
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:25 am

Mav wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:12 am
it's pretty clear I'd never come close to looking halfway as good
So here's what I looked like for the VAST majority of my lays:
2018-10-13.jpg
When I looked like this, was I as good-looking as Chad? Did I have his muscles? His face?

Nah.

But did I get laid more than him?

Oh fuck yes.

How? I worked 10 times harder, got rejected 100 times as much as him, and just powered through. You can do the same.

Remember, Tinder especially is all about how you market yourself:
https://killyourinnerloser.com/my-tinde ... #marketing
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Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:33 am

l0vebone wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:18 am
I don't see the reason for deleting their number. Just save the numbers and in a couple of weeks/months/whatever send out a mass text to all of the numbers you have. If you have 100+ numbers at least a couple of them would be dtf eventually. Don't think about commitment before you hit first, that automatically puts you in the weaker position.
These are numbers from tinder so I doubt they'd even remember who I was a month down the line, if they weren't interested in the first place. I get the mass approach but having 100 numbers would take years for me now. I technically didn't even get the most recent girls number. She "accidentally" gave me the wrong phone number, by one number, after agreeing to meet up.
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