ULTIMATE LIBIDO FIXING & BEAST MODE SEX DRIVE MEGA THREAD

[Zug]

You want the porn and mental fantasy, not the orgasm.

i dont understand, i simply want higher libido, not porn. i want to fuck girls not jerk off to porn. It's not a fantasy and make believe, i remember the days i had great libido and just looking at girls in the club made me hard, now i need cialis when i'm with a naked girl in bed...

I think the issue here is not understanding reality. Looking at porn, or looking at girls in a club, is a passive act in your brain. Its not engaging with another person. This type of arousal is real, but its of a completely different nature than sex with a human

I don't mean this condescendingly. I didn't realize it myself. There is no comparison between what I experience by myself and what I experience with someone engaging with me directly. They are qualitatively different, and in many ways, someone engaging with me is actually inferior (at least for a long time).

In the modern world, a naked girl in your bed, directly in front of you, for the first time is very likely to generate zero arousal. There's too much of the other person there for you to get aroused. Their presence, realness, and otherness is foreign and overwhelming and pushes out the capacity to get aroused in the way I used to get aroused. First it requires getting desensitized to these new elements, but even after that it requires building an entirely new arousal blueprint. That shit takes a while, and your old arousal pathway that didn't involve actual real people engaging with you is competing with the old one.

Let me give a more clear cut example that can illustrate this. If you filmed a porn of you fucking a girl. Its very likely you would find watching that porn to be more arousing and erotically satisfying than actually fucking her, and you can directly experience how the nature of that arousal is entirely different from the arousal you had from the act of fucking her was.

[Thrice]

Let me give a more clear cut example that can illustrate this. If you filmed a porn of you fucking a girl. Its very likely you would find watching that porn to be more arousing and erotically satisfying than actually fucking her, and you can directly experience how the nature of that arousal is entirely different from the arousal you had from the act of fucking her was.

thats true but there's such thing as high libido, in and of itself. I experienced this many times. I used dopamine based stimulants and had very high libido but made me manic. Also think about the libido you had at 16, i'm talking about that. There's nothing philosophical about it. I thinking wanting higher libido is pretty straight forward

[Squilliam]

I don't mean this condescendingly. I didn't realize it myself. There is no comparison between what I experience by myself and what I experience with someone engaging with me directly. They are qualitatively different, and in many ways, someone engaging with me is actually inferior (at least for a long time).

In the modern world, a naked girl in your bed, directly in front of you, for the first time is very likely to generate zero arousal. There's too much of the other person there for you to get aroused. Their presence, realness, and otherness is foreign and overwhelming and pushes out the capacity to get aroused in the way I used to get aroused. First it requires getting desensitized to these new elements, but even after that it requires building an entirely new arousal blueprint. That shit takes a while, and your old arousal pathway that didn't involve actual real people engaging with you is competing with the old one.

I completely agree with you. I thought I was just weird for being this way, but what you're saying here resonates with me a lot.

The most aroused I've ever been was always alone. I had always chalked this up to only having slept with mediocre looking girls, but even with girls I was strongly attracted to, the arousal never reached the same level. Although I would say in those cases it was more exciting and thrilling than being alone.

And I remember, one time last year, I was sleeping with a new girl, and I started asking myself, "Am I even into girls?" because of how not aroused I felt compared to what I feel when I'm say, jacking off when I'm really horny.

I totally agree that the arousal with someone engaging with me is actually inferior to being alone in the vast majority of cases.

The second part of your comment is also very true, that's the explanation I've never been able to put into words.

[Zug]

And I remember, one time last year, I was sleeping with a new girl, and I started asking myself, "Am I even into girls?" because of how not aroused I felt compared to what I feel when I'm say, jacking off when I'm really horny

I think this is totally normal. It definitely gets better, its still getting better for me, nearly every time. Porn is becoming less arousing for me, sex is becoming more arousing. None of my fantasies involved me before, and I couldn't even make them involve me if I tried. Now all my fantasies involve me and real women I've seen. The situations are still ridiculous, but that is a night and day difference.

Also, I realized there is a lot of fake nostalgia for porn. When I really thought about, there were definitely periods of psuedo-ED with porn where everything was boring and I had trouble finishing and was surfing to just find anything arousing. There have been plenty of deeply sub par porn experiences in the past I conveniently never remember, while remembering all the sexual ones.

The latest turning point is finding and developing kinks that you can't get from porn, even if you wanted to. A girl breathing in your ear, or sleeping on your chest, or the kind of look she gives you, or the smells. I do notice I can develop some ritualistic portions to sex now, which might sounds bad, but I think its evidence that this new "arousal path" is getting to the point I can see the trail in the forest easily. Its evidence that I am trailblazing a new path there.

Ultimately, I think porn and fantasy arousal is literally having sex with yourself. The girls you see in person, or on porn, are only really serving as fuel for your imagination. You're jerking off to yourself and getting aroused to yourself, by yourself. Not casting judgement there, but that's just not how sex works. A naked girl in front of you is only arousing in the sense she is getting naked FOR YOU and WITH YOU.

If she is only serving as a fleshlight while you replay porn scenes in your brain, you're not really having sex with her. To the extent you're not having sex with her, you're basically just doing advanced masturbation with a handicap.

[Zug]

I thinking wanting higher libido is pretty straight forward

The only things that might do this are Maca, Tongkat, and exogenous Testosterone. I don't find the manic state pleasant, but these are the only things I know of that give that sort of feeling. However, they're pretty hit or miss, lots of guys are non responders.

[Vamos]

The only things that might do this are Maca, Tongkat, and exogenous Testosterone.

Black maca works for me. It takes a while and is mild, but it works. I've already taken it twice in phases, recently again because my libido was barely there after AAS abuse and it worked again! It's worth a try, I'll get Tongkat Ali aswell to try it