The IronWill Project: Year 3 of MAC DADDY: Realising My Greatness: 22/90

[MakingAComeback]

Q1 Day Structure

Ravi’s Commitments To Q1 2025: Deadlines 15th Jan to 15th April

(1) 5K A Month: Pathway developed by my business coach. Nail offer, drive traffic, convert.
Stage 1: Foundation Building – (A) One Page Strategy [DONE], (B) Before & After Grid [DONE], (C) The Offer [PENDING]
Stage 2: Drive Traffic & Test Offer – TBC.
Stage 3: Conversions – Get to 5k, and set Q2 goals.

(2) Body Recomp – Gain Muscle:
Stage 1: Complete week 1, and debrief w/ Adam. [Week 1 ends tomorrow, got my weekly call w/ my coach, and will share my pics and measurements on the forum]

(3) Mindset - Self Love & Social Skills:
Stage 1: Read self love, read Game solved. Enjoy approaching, texting, socialising, and night game.

Others:
-Botox & Skin treatment

Stage 1 Daily Non Negotiables

(1) Foundation Building: 3 Hours
-One Page Strategy [DONE]
-B&A Grid [DONE]
-The Offer

(2) Body Recomposition
-Kcals & Macros
-Hard Resistance Training 4 Days P/W

(3) Study Self Love & Game


*********************CHECKIN**********************

The IronWill Project: Money, Muscles, Mindset

Week 4: Monday 22nd January 2024

Daily Commitments

(1) Business: 5k Per Month
-Coaching: Checkins, and 1 on 1 calls
-Content Machine: Short form action plan, from my friend Dan coaching me
-NBD: Action plan (1hr) & lead gen (1hr)
-Content Catchup: Action plan & Execution (4hrs)
-Content Creation: One to Many - 1 article, 1 long form, 1 reel, 1 social media post. CTAs are to join my free group.

(2) Body Recomposition – Build Muscle
-Rest Day
-Nutrition: Hit all 6 meals today.

(3) Self Love & Social Skills
-Just be totally relaxed, high vibrational, and present.

Notes:

Reminder of Ravi’s Commitments to 2024, above.

*********************CHECKIN**********************

[MakingAComeback]

Oh my God I cannot believe I did it.....

I did my first BootCamp, with an incredible student, and it was an UNBELIEVABLE experience

No one will ever understand how deep and profound this experience was

We were both in tears of gratitude at different points of this experience

I am SO grateful to be the man I am

I am SO grateful I became ELITE in solving the Consistent Performance problem

I am SO grateful I have the kind of TOP 1% LEVEL coaching skills God has to give you

Because I literally burn with passion and drive and NOTHING comes above my mission in life

This is everything to me

Everything

I dedicated my entire life to this

And now, the green shoots are sprouting

I can take anyone, who is serious about change, and make them into a top performer like me

I can get them to pretty much any goal

Because I found the answers, which existed in nature, after 14 years

-Recharge the biology
-Simplify systems & rewire the brain
-Nurture and heal the inner world, beliefs and subconscious software programs

When you fix the hardware

And you install the right software

And have simple systems to literally keep it updated, every dat

You cannot be fucking stopped

I know this, because it is how evolution designed it to be

That was how I discovered The IronWill Methodology

And is now, why I have been producing killer client results for fucking years now

And my own life, and my own skills, are fucking top draw. Go ask the people who met me, who see how I live.

I am a G.

And a spiritual servant here to serve the human animal and save as many lives as possible.

Like Andy saved mine.

This bootcamp, was crazy. We got attraction from the hottest girls, 2 girls asked ME out (I was just being me, using my vibe and social skills, and they asked ME for a date - lol, ask the guys, they can confirm....)

I have a woman who became my sex slave, in an interesting BDSM plot twist, and I use the red flogger The Dom gave to me, on her ass, every week

And next month, I will invite 5 people to come to a week long BootCamp with me in Budapest, where they will have an experience that changes their fucking life, forever

We will be family for a week

And we will do everything together

And then, we will rise to the highest levels

But for now, thank you SO MUCH to @Olafsmash who believed in me, who actually got to know me as he is in my Men's group, and he saw, I am an exceptionally competent professional with top tier coaching skills, and how much I fucking CARE.

No one will outcare me.

No one.

This means EVERYTHING TO ME

So thank you Olaf for your trust in me, and in investing in me and IronWill Consistent Performance coaching!

BREAKING ALL LIMITS

AND UNLOCKING HUMAN POTENTIAL

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My boy will become a legend

.....Just like me ;-)

KEEP HAMMERING

MAC DADDY

[finaplix58]

@MakingAComeback You shouldn't read that book, or any books for that matter. What you need is to get some coaching/feedback on your vibe dude. Sorry if this sounds too harsh but nothing that you try in game is going to work unless you have a good vibe first.

Idk what Dante or Scotty told you, but either they aren't giving you enough feedback or you aren't applying what they told you. Applying coaching advice is 100000 times more important than reading books.

Maybe you aren't receiving enough feedback. Maybe people don't want to offend or hurt you. Or they simply don't want to spend energy in you. Even if they are getting paid, coaching is a lot of times a pain in the ass and you probably know this as a coach yourself. Or maybe they are just kinda used to you being you. Your friends sort of ignore your quirks and are like "Oh that's just Ravi" (it's not just you btw, I also needed to learn social skills from scratch, maybe not as bad as you, but still bad). But women you don't know are going to be totally unforgiving to this type of stuff.

But you need to go the extra mile to get people to be 100% honest with you, otherwise they have no reason to, as I said, it's a pain in the ass. It's hard to get raw, harsh, unfiltered feedback, but it's also hard to give that kind of feedback. Nobody is going step up and be like "Ravi, I know you can totally kick ass with women". You need to be the first one to buy into the idea that you can be a total killer with this. Everyone else is kinda going to let you be,.

I could make a list of all the things you could improve, but I just want you to notice how different your vibe is from Scotty's (he's a very good example of a good vibe). It's like night an day. I also want you to notice that your vibe is way better in your videos with Scotty than in your podcasts. This is because vibe is contagious, if you are around Scotty, you'll get some of his vibe. And also you were out there, approaching, in state.

This is to say that you can improve this, but you need to be around people with a good vibe and practice a lot.

Great post as ever.

Agreed.

I learned about this vibe issue, when The Dom noticed I had it. This issue, is deep, and it has driven me a little insane to try to fix it.

I did some mind altered states journalling the other day, and a lot of clarity did come, btw. If you read a page or so back, I wrote a long screed about how I will change my social skills and vibration.

Paw (housemate) and Ralph (good friend, happy to live with me whenever) have a really good vibe. Living with them, and spending as much time as I can with them

Scotty's vibe is so good, he literally naturally attracts women. As in, he talks, flows, and is just being himself, and they slip him their number...I saw this happen. I was with him, for 1 week, and he banged 3 women in NYC, which is the hardest SMP in the world. And that was after 7 years off the Game, and he only came to NYC to spend time with me and shoot content. It was f**king insane how powerful vibe and social skills is.

For this reason, I began to regard Scotty as incredibly important in the Game. Because I saw it, finally: he has it.

I can get unlimited mentorship from Scotty, and literally live with him, and absorb his vibe over many months.

That would change my entire f**king life.

And I am going to make it happen.

By the grace of God, we at Winner Within, are going to become the best Self Improvement space, of all time. You will see us making bigger and bigger waves in this space. We have developed an incredible body of thought and we are going places.

Thanks for your post, it was great. I am going to plot out 3 months of this year, where I can spend as much time with Scotty, Dante, Pancake, as possible. I will do it for 3 months.

BTW, I have massively improved with girls these days. Massively. I am just trying to increase the quality of girl I attract, which is a longer term thing for many players. Especially the lads who aren't good looking themselves.

-MAC

Do you think vibe matters that much for dating results?

[MakingAComeback]

Great post as ever.

Agreed.

I learned about this vibe issue, when The Dom noticed I had it. This issue, is deep, and it has driven me a little insane to try to fix it.

I did some mind altered states journalling the other day, and a lot of clarity did come, btw. If you read a page or so back, I wrote a long screed about how I will change my social skills and vibration.

Paw (housemate) and Ralph (good friend, happy to live with me whenever) have a really good vibe. Living with them, and spending as much time as I can with them

Scotty's vibe is so good, he literally naturally attracts women. As in, he talks, flows, and is just being himself, and they slip him their number...I saw this happen. I was with him, for 1 week, and he banged 3 women in NYC, which is the hardest SMP in the world. And that was after 7 years off the Game, and he only came to NYC to spend time with me and shoot content. It was f**king insane how powerful vibe and social skills is.

For this reason, I began to regard Scotty as incredibly important in the Game. Because I saw it, finally: he has it.

I can get unlimited mentorship from Scotty, and literally live with him, and absorb his vibe over many months.

That would change my entire f**king life.

And I am going to make it happen.

By the grace of God, we at Winner Within, are going to become the best Self Improvement space, of all time. You will see us making bigger and bigger waves in this space. We have developed an incredible body of thought and we are going places.

Thanks for your post, it was great. I am going to plot out 3 months of this year, where I can spend as much time with Scotty, Dante, Pancake, as possible. I will do it for 3 months.

BTW, I have massively improved with girls these days. Massively. I am just trying to increase the quality of girl I attract, which is a longer term thing for many players. Especially the lads who aren't good looking themselves.

-MAC

Do you think vibe matters that much for dating results?

I'm of the opinion that for a truly happy and loving dating life, we need to heal ourselves, and develop a wonderful vibe. So, yes.

-Ravi

[MakingAComeback]

Yo!

Hope everyone is well.

I am doing good, working, living a joyful life, without suffering, and without inner tension.

I am attracting good things into my life.

Having a good time w/ my plate, whose my sex slave, and I'm her Master. Interesting BDSM arc, lol.

Good friends around me. My CHAD bro came to visit. He gave me a full makeover. His style, is literally so good.

We did a photoshoot. Will upload the photo selection here, and make your pics. I can choose 15 for editing.

Was burned out last week, so took time to relax.

Focus is on having impact, working hard, delivering insane levels of value to IronWill clients, and I will leave Budapest on the 1st of March.

I want to do an absolutely KILLER IronWill retreat for 7 days before I leave. It'll be a pretty affordable BootCamp, at £1,500 for 7 days, and about 40-60hrs of actual activity. I want to find 5 guys who will come do this with me in Budapest. I will also allow my current clients to have observer spots and come along.

I will offer this ONCE this year, then it's done. I will be focusing on my coaching practice from there on out.

If you want to come to hustle with the boys in Budapest for 7 days, and have the time of your fucking life, and change your brain at the core identity level, reprogramming it with the mindsets necessary for SUCCESS & ABUNDANCE, then let me know. Offering this ONCE, and then when I leave Budapest in March, it's doneso! 1 on 1 & group coaching from that point, only, if I do bootcamps, it'll be with Scotty, and they will be twice the price......

To your success,

-MAC DADDY

[MakingAComeback]

Q1 Day Structure

Ravi’s Commitments To Q1 2025: Deadlines 15th Jan to 15th April

(1) 5K A Month: Pathway developed by my business coach. Nail offer, drive traffic, convert.
Stage 1: Foundation Building – (A) One Page Strategy [DONE], (B) Before & After Grid [DONE], (C) The Offer
Stage 2: Drive Traffic & Test Offer – TBC.
Stage 3: Conversions – Get to 5k, and set Q2 goals.

(2) Body Recomp – Gain Muscle:
Stage 1: Complete week 1, and debrief w/ Adam.

(3) Mindset - Self Love & Social Skills:
Stage 1: Read self love, read Game solved. Enjoy approaching, texting, socialising, and night game.

Others:
-Botox & Skin treatment

Stage 1 Daily Non Negotiables

(1) Foundation Building: 3 Hours
-One Page Strategy [DONE]
-B&A Grid [DONE]
-The Offer

(2) Body Recomposition
-Kcals & Macros
-Hard Resistance Training 4 Days P/W

(3) Study Self Love & Game

*********************CHECKIN**********************

The IronWill Project: Money, Muscles, Mindset

Week 6: Monday 5th February 2024

Daily Commitments

(1) Business: 5k Per Month
-Coaching: Text, Voice Notes, throughout the day. High touch point as per.
-New Business Development: Make plan, post in IronWill Grind Chat for feedback, and implement.
-Short Form Plan: Write up, execute, post in IW GC for feedback, implement.
-Content: One to Many - 1 article, 1 long form, 1 reel, 1 social media post. CTAs are to join my free group.
-Life Admin: Pay Paw, Ralph, Botox,
-Scotty: 30m catchup actions

(2) Body Recomposition – Build Muscle
-Rest Day
-Hit macros & kcals

(3) Self Love & Social Skills
-Nada

Notes:

Reminder of Ravi’s Commitments to 2024, above.

*********************CHECKIN**********************

Evening Checkin Questions:

(1) Business: 5k Per Month:
-Did I move the needle?

(2) Body Recomposition – Build Muscle & Strength?
-Did I move the needle?

(3) Self Love & Social Skills
-Did I move the needle?






























Stage 2 Daily Non Negotiables
(1) Foundation Building: 3 Hours

(2) Business Development: Find & Follow - 2hrs
-Start conversations
-Spotlighting

DAY STRUCTURE STAGE 1
*Will change to accommodate recomp coaches advice

Sunrise, Skincare, Haircare
Breakfast & Ravi Morning Checkin
Foundation Building (3hr)
Life Admin (2hr)
Gym: CT, ATG, Lifting
Lunch
Coaching
Networking: commenting, adding, liking (1hr)
Content: One to Many - 1 article, 1 long form, 1 reel, 1 social media post. CTAs are to join my free group.
Dinner & Online Hustle, Skincare, Haircare
Self Love & Game Solved
Relax & Bed

[MakingAComeback]

Yo!

Monday, met a Balkan beauty off Feeld at 5pm. Vibed hard, fucked until 930pm, and she had to go to meet her friends.

Bootcamps work. Since my Pancake/Dante Bootcamp in NYC last year, I have DOUBLED my lay count (9 to 18). I've banged 11 women since doing the BootCamp, which was 4 months ago. Retained 1. Of these lays, 1 was "quality", which was a beautiful girl from Montenegro I met this Monday.

22, attractive girl (6.25 for me), good face, good body, feminine, absolutely amazing in bed - sex with her was magical and I loved it. She was a fantastic girl with a great personality.

I'll write the LR this Friday. I destroyed this girl, made her cum over and over, sex was INSANE with her and towards the end. she reached what I call "total surrender". I've done this to only 2 of the 18 women I've fucked. Total surrender is when a girl completely submits to you, and literally tells me, "Ravi, my body is now yours, do whatever you want to me, I belong to you now"

This usually comes after series of very hard orgasms from being pounded in different positions, for long periods of time, and completely dominating them. They LOVE this and they become the most cute, feminine, submissive girls for you. Very cool.

Tuesday, got back into flow. This chick gave me some mild cold or something, so I was tired and had to recover yesterday.

She's only here until Sat morning. Will try to bang once more before she leaves, her comms have been alright, her sister is here so she's not got lots of time.

She is a right open minded little thing, she's had plenty of partners, has sugar daddies, etc.

How you win, is you compete on vibe & masculinity. And keep maxxing. And be OK with it.

Pushing with IronWill. Onboarded some new clients, and now just focusing on my 1 on 1 program. Will launch the group next month, and I will not be taking on new 1 on 1 clients after that. I am happy with my client roster and happy to serve these guys to the max, and do the group coaching outside of that.

Will keep pushing..............

Got a sales call later with a great guy who is interested in my 1 on 1 coaching.

I am selective about who I take on, but I am happy to serve this dude and give him full focus.

I am looking for 6 more 1 on 1 clients, and will close up shop, retain these guys, and then launch a separate group coaching program thereafter. That is all I need to do in my biz this year.

Placeholder / catchup post here. Will repot daily as per, still in catchup mode!

-MAC

[Sewerdog]

Man this is amazing, from the dungeon well on your way towards an elite life

[Zug]

Happy for your success, keep it up

[MakingAComeback]

More great success will come.

My life is an insane comeback story, I can't believe I am sat here typing this.

If you read this log 3 years ago, you'd never believe that same guy is doing this stuff.

Making money in biz. Banging girls. Building himself up to the maxxx.

Loving working with my recomp coach. I am getting stronger and gaining size. Nearly smashed 100kg on the bench yesterday, just missed it and Paw gave me a little spot, and I completed the rep. ALMOST!

Back to work bros.

My lay from Monday, still texts, sends voice notes and videos. She got sick and is coughing and sneezing. If she recovers, we'll see each other again. That girl was a beautiful person and I really loved being with her. Cuddling and kissing for a few hours after sex, was great, I am glad I got pretty decent with women and can see all this stuff now.

Checkin to come.

BACK TO WORK!

[MakingAComeback]

The IronWill Project: Money, Muscles, Mindset

Week 6: Monday 8th February 2024

Daily Commitments

(1) MONEY
-Coaching Checkins
-Content: One to Many (Get feedback from Tega on my process)
-Networking: 1hr (FB commenting, adding, liking)
-New Business Development: Pipelining, Nurturing, Convos, Adding Value, Scorecard.
-Coaching Delivery & Coaching Call
-Onboard new client (6 spots left on IronWill 1 on 1, then closing it)
-Scotty: Necro thumbnail & make public / Upload PwF Part 2

(2) MUSCLES
-Rest Day
-Hit Kcals & Macros

(3) MINDSET
-Enjoy life & Let Go
-Self Love Journalling
-Online Lead Gen

Others:
-Sunrise & CT (DONE)
-Meal Prep (DONE)

[MakingAComeback]

Ongoing Fashion Dev..........

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Body recomp is helping

I also changed my beard and it's a MAJOR improvement despite what The Mouse said (he hates it)

I will be hustling, working, and improving myself

Will be going to NYC for 3 months to train under Dante & Pancake (April onwards)

And I am getting a sleeve in March, before I go

I will be a brown 7.5 when I am maxxed out:

-Solid muscle & 12% bf
-Sleeve
-Botox, Filler, Buccal fat removal
-Style maxxed
-Intermediate level Game (that is in Dante's system, so it's very hard to get there, no one we know is there. I don't know if I can do it myself tbh. Beginner-Advanced may be all I need)
-Proper location (Hungary / Europe is brown-brown death, due to racism. I am closing, but these girls, will not go with a guy like me. I have to find a location where I am able to find a girl who will accept me and take me to her parents. My parents, don't give a sh*t, they are very sweet and kind people, and will accept anyone, black, white, asian, whatever. We are the absolute opposite of racism. I didn't understand true racism until I came to Europe)

-MAC DADDY

[pancakemouse]

I also changed my beard and it's a MAJOR improvement despite what The Mouse said (he hates it)

They've seen what it was, now post what you changed it to. Don't be shy now.

[Zug]

Botox, Filler, Buccal fat removal

Got any more details on this? Cost, effectiveness, risks, etc?

[MakingAComeback]

The IronWill Project: Money, Muscles, Mindset

Week 6: Friday 9th February 2024

Daily Commitments

(1) Money:
-Coaching / Complete new client onboarding
-Scotty: Thumbnail & Make Necro live / Confirm for interview with @DeepakDatingCoach
-Content: One to Many & Get Tega’s Feedback
-My Story – Luke’s Podcast: Share this on my channel!
-Upload coaching call I did with THE BULLDOG
-Networking: 1hr
-New Business Development: 2hrs – Update pipeline, touch points with leads, conversations & connection, adding value, and design and develop a scorecard. Ask for feedback from Cohort, SE, and Dino! Literally ask Dino, I want to get 6 new clients and close my 1 on 1 program as I am happy with my clients. Get his thoughts.

(2) Muscles:
-Gym: ATG & Smashing weights
-Kcals & Macros
-CT (5m)
-Early bedtime

(3) Mindset:
-Self Love: Reading
-Online Lead Gen

Notes:

I do love my business, and I am really good at what I do.

Sometimes, it’s a draw back having a public log like this, when people can see how you were like before you became a success.

It lives within peoples brains, and they become a bit skeptical.

They’re like…..THAT guy became successful? HIM?! They almost can’t believe it.

With Andy, I saw him ascend on GLL, so by the time he had this forum, he was the man and people wanted to work with him, because they knew he is a remarkable professional.

Andy does his job PHENOMENALLY well. His services, are just unmatched. I am humbled by how good he is and I give him full respect. I am trying to follow in his footsteps and I am doing the best job I can. I serve my clients with my full heart and soul and give them blood, sweat and tears.

They get a lot of value out of me, trust me, lol.

But I am genuinely happy with these people and I want to FOCUS on them.

I will take 6 more and close up my 1 on 1 program. I literally serve people I care deeply about, every day, and this makes me so happy I can’t wait to get up in the morning.

WINNER WITHIN FORUM TRANSITION

Andy has finalised the database transfer. Me and my leadership team, will be finalising this, and then we will be restructuring the forum.

We will agree the new forum rules, and we will create a very welcoming, positive, supportive brotherhood.

No one is above anyone in this community. I am humbled every day. This is a brotherhood, a unit.

We welcome all men, and all women, of all stripes, to come here, and receive FREE help.

My mission here, is to help others, like everyone helped me.

With no judgement, with love and support.

If you SERVE FROM YOUR HEART, you change lives.

The other person has to know, damn, this dude actually gives a fuck about me.

That was what changed my life.

Before I am dead, I will do the work to pass the batton to the next generation. Like Chris and Scotty did to Andy, and now, how Andy has done to me.

I will take up the task.

And I will complete the mission.

Winner Within will produce unbelievable success stories and transformations, and these men, will go fourth and save others.

The Leadership Team will be:

-@pancakemouse
-@Crisis_Overcomer
-@Manganiello
-@Bman
-MAC DADDY (Admin & Forum owner)

We also have:

@Radical, @Rags2Bitches, @AskTheDom as key executive advisors.

The technical team will be:

@september
@Squilliam
@pancakemouse
@colgate

THE NEW ERA WILL BEGIN

AND BEFORE MY TIME IS DONE

I WILL SEE PEOPLE RISE FROM THE DUNGEON OF LIFE

AND I WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS THAT DID DAMAGE TO ME WEEP AT MY FEET

EXTREME LONELINESS, ISOLATION, LOW SELF ESTEEM, LOW SELF WORTH

I USED TO BELIEVE I WAS NOTHING AT ALL

....UNTIL OTHER MEN CONVINCED ME THAT I HAD VALUE TO ME

THAT WAS WHAT CHANGED MY LIFE

EXTREME ANXIETY

ROOMBOUND FOR YEARS

HEALTH COLLAPSED

OBESITY, BRAIN FOG

TOO SCARED TO LIVE, TOO SCARED TO DIE, LIVING WITH MY PARENTS UNTIL 29

VIRGIN WHO NEVER WENT ON A DATE

COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED AND ALONE

……..UNTIL.....I DECIDED ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH, AND I ASKED OTHER MEN TO HELP ME

I ASKED THE FORUM TO HELP ME

I ASKED ANDY THE GREAT FOR HELP

AND EVERYONE HELPED ME

THAT WAS HOW I FOUND PASSION AND DRIVE TO GO HIGH IN LIFE, BECAUSE I WAS INSPIRED BY TWO MEN

ANDY - KILLYOURINNERLOSER

THE BASTARD FROM GLASGOW @Thebastard

ALL THE DEMONS THAT HAUNTED ME FOR YEARS, I HAVE SLAYED

I HAVE WATCHED THEM WITHER AND BE DESTROYED BEFORE ME LIKE FRODO TOSSING THE ONE RING INTO THE FIERY LAKES OF MOORDOR



THE CURSE HAS BEEN BROKEN

AND I REMAIN UNDEFEATED

AND UN-F**KING-STOPPABLE

YOU DO NOT BREAK PEOPLE LIKE ME

ALL YOU WILL DO IS LET THE ANIMAL OUT OF THE CAGE
THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO WATCH ME RISE TO SUCCESS

BEFORE I LEAVE THIS EARTH

MARK MY WORDS

I WILL BE THE GREATEST UNDERGROUND SELF IMPROVEMENT SUCCESS STORY OF ALL TIME

AND PROVE TO THE WORLD, THAT NO MATTER HOW DEFEATED YOU MAY HAVE BEEN IN LIFE

EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT

IF YOU HAVE JUST THE ABILITY MORE BREATH OF AIR

THEN YOU CAN ACHIEVE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING YOU HEART DESIRES

CONSISTENT PERFORMANCE IS THE GREAT EQUALISER

AND HOW THE PERSON FROM NOTHING CAN COMPLETELY TRANSFORM THEIR DESTINY

NOW LET IT BE YOU

-MAC DADDY

THE GODFATHER OF GRINDING